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New South Wales Numeral Cancels

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Posted 02/19/2023   05:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The trimmed (previously perforated) Five Pence diadem stamp has a couple of strikes of the Sydney 20 circular datestamp (i.e. not a 'numeral cancellation') and it appears someone may have tried to pass it off as the far more expensive imperforate 5d by trying to match it to a circle on the 'piece'.

Why would someone do that before posting and getting a postmark???
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Posted 02/19/2023   05:38 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the likely story:

The perforated stamp has been attached to an envelope and postmarked with a couple of strikes of the Sydney 20 canceller.
It was later soaked off by a collector.
Some time later, someone trimmed the perforations from the stamp and stuck it onto the current piece.
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Edited by fairdinkumstamps - 02/19/2023 05:39 am
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Posted 02/19/2023   05:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks
A reasonable explanation
Much appreciated
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Posted 02/19/2023   05:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fairdinkumstamps
Thanks for all the feedback.
Seriously, it is very much appreciated.

but this "47" is definitely doing my head in!
Can you explain the absolute there "4" - I'll concede the 7 might be ink stray.
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Posted 02/19/2023   06:10 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The ink that makes the apparent italic '4' is part of the secondary ink impression of that inner part of the four-ring cancel. The secondary ink impressions are more pronounced on the larger outer rings to the right on your image.

The secondary impression might be due to a little 'chatter' or slip as the stamp was cancelled or even an under-inked initial strike that was subsequently re-done.
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Posted 02/19/2023   06:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok
That makes sense but you would have to agree that the 4 is very defined and definitely "italic" !
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Posted 02/19/2023   2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 1d Laureate is cancelled by a Sydney dumb obiterator.

The '47' is one half of a Sydney duplex, with NSW in the centre of four concentric ovals. There's some obvious chatter in the postmark visible at the top right of the image. Any semblance of a numeral is pure coincidence.

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Posted 02/20/2023   11:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you
Appreciate the feedback
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Posted 03/07/2023   05:45 am  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know this is not a numeral cancel (nothing of this type shown in Freeman). Can anyone point me to how this cancel would be utilised in postage due usage?


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Posted 03/07/2023   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi 64idgaf,

That looks like a Danish numeral cancel.
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Posted 03/07/2023   6:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If it is Denmark, then it is Viborg's Station.
The fount of the "2" seems to fit.

Great guess there Bobby.

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Posted 03/07/2023   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A slightly educated guess!
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Posted 03/07/2023   8:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The brain is a strange device.
Your answer had me thinking immediately of Tubular Bells, (Mike Oldfield)
"Two slightly distorted guitars"
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Posted 03/07/2023   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's a live version of the whole piece on youtube Rod.

A truly magnificent performance, and still one of my favourite LPs.

KXatvzWAzLU



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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 03/07/2023 8:53 pm
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Posted 03/07/2023   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For the uninitiated,
from 21" 56 seconds
This piece has the most beautiful ending, so calming....

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