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France - Peace & Commerce 1876, 30c, With Unlisted Company Mark On Reverse - Please Help!

 
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Posted 12/16/2017   5:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Blaamand to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this 30c Peace and commerce, Yvert/Maury # 80, with a 'Langer' company mark on the reverse. My Maury list this mark on # 78 and a few others, but not on #80. Does anybody have a better reference for these?



Any help much appreciated
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Posted 12/16/2017   6:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice find Blaamand!

I've not seen these before and hadn't noticed the references or image in Maury.

In Britain similar "underprints" were permitted for a few years until this was stopped in 1882.

Not many organisations used them.

I saw a fine display of the GB ones earlier this year in London.

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Posted 12/16/2017   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi: Maybe you have this link?two thirds of the way down..
Interesting Yt.57 with Langer.
http://docs.philateliques.free.fr/e...centimes.php

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Page 30 of a 46-page pdf of the Mercury Stamp Journal from 1955, found here:

http://www.rfrajola.com/msj/france.pdf

lists the following for Langer, importers from Le Havre:
1863 80c
1870 40c
1871 25c
1872 30c, 80c

There is a lot of information in that pdf regarding French postal history and stamp design and production. It's probably pretty basic for a France specialist, but I thought it was an interesting overview.
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Posted 12/17/2017   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the excellent help

@nigelc, thanks, I certainly agree it's a nice find. I was rather excited when I discovered it while examining an old dealers stock. It was among other 30c's and had gone unnoticed by previous owner

@perf12 - thank you for the link, I had not seen the 'gazette' in your last link. Very useful, it lists the 'Langer' on #69 (Type I). Upon further inspection on my stamp, I saw it was indeed a type I. It had been misidentified by previous owner and I was too preoccupied and excited with the company mark to notice. Classic bummer

@cjd - thanks for the Mercury Journal, very interesting indeed - that should be obligatory reading for all interested in classical stamps of France And it confirms the same info as in the gazette. Brilliant.

Still it remains to find a catalog ID for the 'Langer' variety on #69. It's not listed in my Maury - I had hoped it was listed in Yvert Specialized ??
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