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Source For Quality Manila Color Paper For Steiners?

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Posted 12/20/2017   09:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mobilman44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi!

Anyone have a source for quality (acid free) manila colored (like Scott's pages) paper? I've worn out a search on ebay and the local Office Depot with no real luck.

Thank you!
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Posted 12/20/2017   09:22 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Aren't Scott pages more akin to cream than manilla, which is more of a paper type than a colour?
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Posted 12/20/2017   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is what I use.



It's not available at my local Staples--I have to order it on-line. Next day delivery.

It doesn't specify acid-free. I use mounts exclusively, so I'm not worried about that at all.

It's about the same shade as the Scott paper, and a little thicker.

Robert


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Posted 12/20/2017   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's what I use.


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Posted 12/20/2017   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I also have the Staples paper and the package says it is acid free but the website does not mention it.

I use Domtar 28# cream (very close to Staples) for pages and the Staples cover page for album front/back pages and a stiffener for some sheet protectors.
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Posted 12/20/2017   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It also depends if you want "text", "cover stock", or "card stock" which all differ in their feel and stiffness.

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Posted 12/20/2017   2:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would the Staples "cover stock" run through an ink jet printer (HP7520)?
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Posted 12/20/2017   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Would the Staples "cover stock" run through an ink jet printer (HP7520)?


It works in my HP, although I have to feed one sheet at a time--it has a tendency to grab multiple sheets if offered.

Robert
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Posted 12/20/2017   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, checked on the Staples website and ordered a 250 pack.

Thanks all for your help!!
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Posted 12/20/2017   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The HP7520 is rated for a max of 300 gsm paper weight which is safely in excess of 65 pounds.
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Posted 12/20/2017   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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...It doesn't specify acid-free. I use mounts exclusively, so I'm not worried about that at all...


Hi Robert,
I do not mean to be an alarmist, but having direct contact with acid paper is not required to end up with damaged stamps. Simply having an acidic environment is enough to cause stamps to tone, get brittle, and become worthless.

For example, there are many cases where stamps were kept in glassines and then put away in old cigar boxes. The stamps have no direct contact with wooden interior but cigar boxes but will become damaged from the very high acidic environment.
Don
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Posted 12/20/2017   8:03 pm  Show Profile Check clivel's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add clivel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately paper weight measured in pounds does not translate across different kinds of papers and card stocks which seem to be measured on completely different scales making any form of comparison meaningless.
The only effective way to compare paper weights is to use grams per square metre (gsm or g/m2).

Logically for example, one would expect the 67lb cover stock used by trainwreck to be slightly thinner than the 70lb paper used by chris2015, but that is not so.
trainwreck's 67lb cover stock is 148 gsm while chris2015's 70lb paper is 104gsm which is therefore actually only about 2/3rds the weight of the 67lb cover stock.
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Posted 12/21/2017   02:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Normal computer printer paper is about 20# (pounds) in weight. This is pretty flimsy to mount stamps on, and it won't hold a lot of stamp mounts very well. And it will tear easily. 100# paper is pretty "cardboard-ey" or heavy weight and at the upper end of the useful weight range for stamp albums. You'll also notice it cuts down on the number of pages you can have in a binder. I've found that paper "weighing" about 65-67# is ideal for stamps.

Heavier weights of paper is often called "cover stock" since, I suppose, it's used for covers, not pages, by most people.

All these weights of paper will run through normal computer printers just fine, at least in my experience most of the time. The problems can come if the printer you're using turns the paper around, meaning the paper goes in and comes out the same side of the printer. That 180 degree turn slightly bends the paper and could cause problems. Experiment and find out. Printers where the paper goes in and comes out on opposite sides of the printer, where the paper does not have to bend, are ideal even for heavyweight paper.

As for colors, the ones shown above are fine. Staples sells "cream" and "ivory" paper, both of which look great with stamps mounted on them. Both colors come pretty close to the colors used in many stamp albums. Scott albums have a slightly yellowish white (like the Staples "cream") while Lighthouse, Davo, and other manufacturers use whiter paper (like Staples "ivory"). Or do I have those two colors backwards? Better check to be sure! I'm partial to the yellowish white of Scott album paper, myself, but I don't mind white pages at all.
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Posted 12/21/2017   03:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbcev80 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

I am a big proponent of the local "Mom and Pop" print shop. I am not talking about the biggies, Staples, Office Depot, etc. The small stand alone print shops are a great source. The owners are very knowledgeable and have paper samples which one can check out. They could also drill holes for binder rings and they are usually cheaper than the biggies.

I had 500 quadrille pages printed on 50 pound off white paper and they cost about 12 cents per page which included typesetting, a few proofs and hole drilling. This printer saves the typesetting so another 500 pages will be about 8 cents/page.

Jerry B
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Posted 12/21/2017   06:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This chart may help clarify some of the names of basis weights. The actual caliper etc can vary from brand to brand.

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Posted 12/21/2017   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Unfortunately paper weight measured in pounds does not translate across different kinds of papers and card stocks which seem to be measured on completely different scales making any form of comparison meaningless.
The only effective way to compare paper weights is to use grams per square metre (gsm or g/m2).

Logically for example, one would expect the 67lb cover stock used by trainwreck to be slightly thinner than the 70lb paper used by chris2015, but that is not so.
trainwreck's 67lb cover stock is 148 gsm while chris2015's 70lb paper is 104gsm which is therefore actually only about 2/3rds the weight of the 67lb cover stock.


Clive brings up a very good point- "text" and "cover stock" paper weight can not be directly equated. The measure of "grams per square meter" is the correct way to know.

I use the same paper as Chris ( 70 Pound text), which is 104 gsm, and works very well, even if one wishes to put mounts on both sides of the paper. Although, in actuality,for my "Deep Blue" WW collection, I only use one side with mounts. I like the "thick paper" feel,which still seems flexible. I find card stock too stiff for me.
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