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Turkey In Asia Overprints

 
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Posted 01/17/2018   1:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dave 1941 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone identify these pictured "T" overprints on stamps of Turkey in Asia?
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Posted 01/17/2018   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are not really overprints but hand cancels. The "T" is French or Taxe and indicates this stamp as used as a postage due stamp

Peter
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Posted 01/17/2018   2:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Dave...welcome! Do a search - recent thread on naval league labels. These aren't Turkey in Asia 'stamps' - they are naval league labels. They don't have the overprint that was done to make them 'Turkey in Asia' stamps. Can't say I've ever seen these postage due stamps on naval league stamps??
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Posted 01/17/2018   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Michel mentions in a note that some regular postage stamps are known with "T" overprints for use as postage due stamps.

However, I'd be surprised if these ever had postage due use given their low face values of 1 para, 2 paras and 40 paras.
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Posted 01/17/2018   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dave 1941 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the info. They were in an envelope that had the regular Naval League overprinted Turkey in Asia so I thought these were also. They don't seem to be cancellations since all three are mint with gum. I guess I'm still not sure.
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Posted 01/17/2018   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Of course - there were lots of regular Turkish stamps that had these postage due stamps on them: (numerous types - at least 4 of them shown here)


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Posted 01/17/2018   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice group Michael.
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Posted 01/17/2018   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dave 1941 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. It would seem then that I have Turkish Naval League labels that have been converted to use as postage due stamps. Correct?
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Posted 01/17/2018   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Dave,

I'd be much more cautious!

You have Turkish Naval League labels that look as though they've been converted for use as postage due stamps.

That's not enough to make them genuine.

I suspect that these are bogus stamps produced by a postal worker and/or stamp dealer having some fun with a postage due handstamp.

However, I'm very happy to be proved wrong on this.

I'd be interested to see if any specialist catalogues or handbooks have anything to say about these.

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Posted 01/17/2018   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dave 1941 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have access to any specialty catalogs so would be interested if anyone can find out anything. Thanks again.
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Posted 01/17/2018   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Apparently these stamps were used for a short period as postage stamps,
with their appopriate overprints.Nothing on the Postage Due "T" overprints though...
http://maviboncuk.blogspot.fr/2006/...-stamps.html
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Posted 01/18/2018   02:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let's talk about the 'stamps' & the postage due marking separately:

The 'stamps' are cinderellas. They were not issued by the postal authority/government - they were issued to raise money as a 'charity' venture. So they were never valid as postage stamps.

When something was mailed without sufficient postage, that 'T' marking was used to indicate that there was 'postage due' - it is a substitute for a postage due stamp.

Later, those stamps were overprinted for postal use. You can see an example of this overprint in Turkey in Asia section of Scott catalog; in the link perf12 posted; or on pg 57 & later of this thread:

https://goscf.com/t/50933&whichpage...val%2Cleague

So back to your stamps: we have the naval league labels - without the Turkey in Asia overprint - but with a postage due marking on them. Which obviously makes little sense.

I like your explanation Nigel! And completely agree with you - It seems highly likely - someone was having fun!

My old & not new & fancy Isfila makes no mention of these postage due markings. The naval labels are discussed thoroughly in the other thread...

This is a good link showing the various versions of the postage due stamp & the locations etc:

https://www.turkishpostalhistory.co...om-notes-iii
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Posted 01/18/2018   05:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Michael,

That's a great link you've posted.

I've not seen this site before.
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Posted 01/18/2018   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dave 1941 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for all your help. Now I know what I've got.
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