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France 1849 1 Franc Vermilion

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Posted 02/06/2018   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
For France collectors, at least on a simplified basis, the 1 franc vermilion is the key stamp to completing a collection.



Lot 70 from the La Postale sale, October 2017



Featuring Ceres, the God of agriculture, the stamp was engraved by Jean Jacques Barre and was issued, along with the 20 centime black, on New Year's Day 1849. These stamps were surface printed by M. Hulot under contract with the French government.

According to Scott, there are three main shades, including the famous "Vervelle". The cheapest was catalogued in 2014 at $15,500. There were 509,700 stamps printed between December 30, 1848 and January 7, 1849.

The ink was produced from mineral vermilion or cinnabar. It contained mercury sulphide which attacked the copper printing plates.

With the upcoming release of the 40 centime orange (issued February 3, 1850), to avoid confusion, it was decided to replace the 1F vermilion with the 1F carmine. The vermilion was withdrawn on December 1, 1849 and the carmine released the same day. There were 122,398 copies of the 1F vermilion destroyed in July 1851.




So, how to fill that annoying gap in the collection?

After a lot of research, I purchased the item below:



It's a forgery of course, but it's a very good one. The giveaway is the cancellation, which didn't come into use until 1852. This makes the stamp at the top of this post suspicious to me (see http://marcophilie.org/grille-de-gr...ans-fin.html and http://marcophilie.org/mqp-de-janvi...ovinceb.html). I've seen this cancellation on an 1850 10 centime bistre tete-beche forgery also.

The other clear indication is that there is only one known used tete-beche of the 1F vermilion, in a strip of three.

In my research, I found my example the subject of a post on a French site http://timbres-de-france.clicforum....e-ou-pas.htm. I wrote to the administrator of the site (in French, don't you love online translators) but did not receive a reply.

I personally feel that I've bought a pre 1953 Sperati, as there is no handstamp on the reverse. Either that or it's a modern production made to look old but I'm not so sure. There is nothing about it that says "I'm a modern production". I'm positive it's not a Spiro or a Fournier. I have a few of the first Ceres stamps and the paper of my forgery has the same characteristics of the other stamps I have, hence my leaning towards a Sperati.

From a monetary stance, I hope I'm right as a normal Sperati pair sold late last month for 700 euros which is considerably more than I paid for my pair. In the same sale, a genuine single on piece sold for 8411 euros but another genuine single was passed in at 5500 euros (see https://stampauctionnetwork.com/ru/ru5495.cfm#6).

Anyway, it was certainly an adventure trying to find a satisfactory way to fill a gap where I could never afford the genuine article!

Bobby DLR
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Posted 02/06/2018   7:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice presentation on both the 1 f. carmin and 1 f. vermillon, Cérès type, with all other shades (nuances)described in Spink/Maury Cat 2017 and by a special work from Bernard Brinette "Le grand nuancier des timbes classiques de France, Cérès et Napoléon.(1848-1876)

Thanks a lot - great !!

Rene
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Posted 02/07/2018   08:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi; In your lot no. 70. This seller on delcampe "la_postale_phila"
has at least 15 1fr. vermillon on sale.All with different cancels.Your
example is for sale at 3300 euros.No photos of the back or the certificats for these stamps.Seems shaddy too me.Better trying francois_feldman or alliancephilatelie.
The problem with the 1 fr vermillon is even if it's in very poor condition
the price can still be high,and poor specimens are hard too find.This stamp is
a 'investement stamp' so everyone want's one...
The roulette a gros points sans fin cancel does exist on 1fr Vermillon stamps,but rare.

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Posted 02/07/2018   3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info perf12

I've bought material from alliancephilatelie via ebay - top seller.

I saw a rebacked 1F vermilion sell for over $1500 last year, if memory serves me well.

I'm happy enough with what I have and I've learned a great deal too!

Thanks also to Rene for the book information
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Posted 02/07/2018   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mount-this to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a dangerously convincing looking forgery. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted 04/10/2018   07:48 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby - if you're still reading, do you have Chauvet's book about the "La Fayette" collection? If not, I'll try to scan a few pictures of the 1 Fr vermilion.
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Posted 04/10/2018   08:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice stamp you purchased . Other than a real stamp ,your so called Sperati should also have a good cert. claiming it is a Sperati . There are too many other forgeries out there and the Sperati carries a high price than all the other forgeries floating around .
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Posted 04/10/2018   2:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Per a photocopy I have of the Sperati forgeries book plates/illustrations: tête-bêche pairs are shown but not in a large enough size to be useful. So (for example), I can't see any with the small circle on the jawline on the right stamp of the pair. The roller cancel shown in 3 examples of the 1fr match yours, I think, with the shift in two columns of dots with an actual blank space below rather than just missed inking. That version of the cancel is not illustrated in the cancels section.

EDIT: Similar appearance with the gaps is all there is. Enlarging and focussing as best I could, I find the columns of dots are staggered/not in line in places, like the petits pointes en quinconce but more widely spaced. My apologies.

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Posted 04/10/2018   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3 examples below:
All from David Feldman auctions.



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Posted 04/10/2018   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Geoff - yes, still reading! The information our community has is just wonderful. Wish I had've joined here years ago.

I don't have the Chauvet book but would love to see some scans

Floortrader, I agree. I looked into this but was unsure who to approach here in Australia. Chris Ceremuga is probably my best bet I think.

Thank you hy-brasil. I've never noticed that circle There's a hint of another to the right of it. I looked at all the scans I have and none have this circle. I'm starting to think mine couldn't be a Sperati, he was just too good and there's no circles on any of the scans I have of his work. The investigation continues!
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Posted 04/10/2018   8:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you perf12, I just saw we posted almost the same time

With those pictures I'm more convinced mine isn't a Sperati . The first S in POSTES is just one indication.

As they say in the classics, C'est la vie!

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Posted 04/11/2018   07:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sperati Forgery; Roumet Auctions; Sold 700euros-30 Jan. 2018
Reproduction ? with stamp on the back..




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Handstamp on back would seem to indicate it is the reproduction. Comparison with points given in the book illustration identify the pair being what's being call the reproduction, listed in the book as "A". 2 features are a couple of tiny breaks in the left frameline just above the lower "cross", and a few tiny breaks in the bottom frameline below the "cross".

The Sperati book illustrates 2 forgeries. The type noted as "A" is what's being called the Sperati reproduction. The type noted as "G" is what's being called the Sperati forgery. They do have different characteristics. Note "forgery" has fatter/wider/more open lettering.
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Posted 04/11/2018   2:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I assume the majority of Sperati reproductions found on e bay or elsewere are bogus forgeries of
forgeries then...
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Posted 04/11/2018   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I thought the reproduction handstamp was applied by the British Philatelic Association in the 1950s?
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Posted 04/12/2018   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sperati Reproduction: with BPA number





The followig pic can show how tricky the stamp can be.Some of the real stamps
show notable letter and numeral "1" differences. A real minefield.

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