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Cover With Asian? Language - Could Someone Identify & Translate?

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Posted 02/11/2018   12:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi everyone,

I've had the cover below for a while and I have no idea what the language is that is written in red pen. I've had a look at various Asian scripts but nothing looks close.

Does anyone know the language and might someone be able to translate what's been written?







Thank you for looking

Bobby DLR

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Posted 02/11/2018   03:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd hazard a guess it is Nepalese but what it says is another thing!
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Posted 02/11/2018   03:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 02/11/2018   04:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Eiger, it may well be. At the very least, I think you're in the right part of the world. Goodness knows how many languages have fallen off the earth in the last 130 years, especially in northern India or even Tibet.

I was only guessing I had the second scan the right way around and I'm still not sure!
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Posted 02/11/2018   04:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's beautiful writing though isn't it? So much more to it than plain old English!
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Posted 02/11/2018   3:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not know, though Nepalese is a possibility. In India alone, today there are 22 nationally recognized languages and I do not know how many others may be unofficially recognized or no longer in use since this cover was mailed. And there are other countries in addition to Nepal and India that have writing in this general style.
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Posted 02/11/2018   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add erilaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's certainly some script from south or southeast Asia, but it doesn't look like Nepali to me. Nepali uses the Devanagari alphabet, which has that distinctive top bar (see the sample text on the Omniglot page), but the writing on this envelope doesn't have that. Of course, our guessing game isn't helped by the fact that handwritten script often differs dramatically from its printed counterpart.

Whatever it is, it seems to me that it was written later, presumably by the recipient, Abdub Pubfor, using the envelope as scratch paper. There's no need for that to have been written on mail within New South Wales!
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Posted 02/11/2018   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you folks. Amazing what a few fresh pairs of eyes can do.

I agree 100% with erilaz - the writing wasn't written by the sender.

I think the recipient is Abdul Goodfoor but it's been written as Gudfor. There is a mention of an unclaimed letter addressed to Abdul Goodfoor at Strawberry Hills (which is basically a part of Surry Hills) in 1892 in the New South Wales Government Gazette: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/...353/13087707

Our old newspapers have been digitised and are freely available. There is no other mention of Mr Gudfor/Goodfoor at all. A google search of both names produced zero results.

The address on the envelope is 10 Farnell Street. I have the Sydney directory for 1887 and sure enough, Farnell Street isn't in it. Isn't that always the way?

I'm starting to think the language is perhaps Dari. The search continues!

Thanks also to the mods for moving the topic

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Posted 02/11/2018   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The address on the envelope is 10 Farnell Street.


I don't see that, begins with perhaps an A (I'd go for Arundel Cres)
Any chance of a close up?

Streets in Surrey Hills =A

Alandale Street
Alastair Court
Albany Crescent
Albert Crs
Albert St
Albion Street
Alexandra Crescent
Allie Street
Amiens Street
Anderson Street
Arthur Street
Arundel Crescent
Austral Street
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Edited by rod222 - 02/11/2018 7:07 pm
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Posted 02/11/2018   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Burmese?

MO 373/32 ABDUL GAFOOR JEMADAR IO NYA 2/13 FRONTIER FORCE RIFLES BURMA MILITARY CROSS 22 JUNE 1944 18 MAY-22 JUNE 1944

http://www.hut-six.co.uk/WW2data/WO...20India.html
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Posted 02/12/2018   01:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Close up of the address Rod:



I don't think the red handwriting is Burmese though.
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 02/12/2018 01:52 am
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Posted 02/12/2018   03:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The A of the name and the A of the street are different. I don't think that's a street or road starting with A
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Posted 02/12/2018   03:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add erilaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If anyone has the desire and perseverance to go through it, the National Library of Australia has an atlas of 50 detailed street maps of Sydney and its suburbs from 1888, digitized and online: https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1648738

Click on the "See records in this collection" link near the bottom of the page. There might be some street in there that no longer exists on our current Google Maps.
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Posted 02/12/2018   05:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The A of the name and the A of the street are different.


Excellent.

Taking away the scroll of the "S" flourish, perhaps a "P"

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Posted 02/12/2018   05:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Solved:
10 Sandwell Street, Surry Hills
No longer exists

Sandwell street does however, see Google maps.

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Posted 02/12/2018   05:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well done Poirot :)
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