Paper Identification For Stamps

Anyone have a link to a website or a thread here where I can find a tutorial with picture about stamps paper identification... wove laid etc ?

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Peter

in wich section I need to search ? in the main section ?

Click on search and put in the box what you're searching for. The section does not make a difference - it searches the web site


Peter

The stamp smarter web site has a good glossary http://www.stampsmarter.com/Learnin...ssary_A.html

thanks peter ! will do it

All mechanically made papers had a linen-binding till 1938 exclusively that was symmetrical [!], incidently later on:



Since 1938 twill-bindings were used predominantly - all Asymmetrical [!]:

Thx rod !

You will find all this in a book (Canada) that I sent to you. Have fun !

Rene

Rod,

laid and wove are misperceptions for the Stone Age!

groetjes, Rein

Possibly, yet I have yet to read any archaeology on stone age finds of stamp albums, or paper.
Please direct me to any links.

You may also be correct in your intentions, yet the original poster was requesting information on philatelic common verbiage.

Certainly educate us on deeper study on paper, but making sweeping remarks like yours, tells us nothing, and suggests some sort of knowledge conceit.

Not up to the standard I have of you, which is generally very helpful, I usually follow your studies with great respect.

Staff have moved this thread to here, but surely Stamp Production is the most appropriate location for this subject, for without paper there are (generally) no stamps?

My website www.stampprinters.info incorporates a relevant section on papers. From the Home Page choose column two (Production), then the "Substrates" tab. GLENN

Rod,

Paper is still of no relevance to the average stamp collector. Only when some paper seems to be different from what I had already seen I need to get a name attached to it! Or when finding a name in a catalogue that is supposed to have relevance to paper and the stamp I have.

I call it stone age, you may refer to it as a fairy tale book with "philatelic common verbiage"...

There is no systematical approach in philately when paper is concerned!

Starting with hand-made paper versus mechanically made paper which consists 99.99999% of our stamps....

Mechanically made paper is ALWAYS Woven! Above I tried to show two categories of woven - so don't tell me I am not helpful! - that are basic in understanding anything at all about paper!

The second thing is the direction of paper or Papierlaufrichtung [in German]. If you don not want to get that concept right, there is no way you will be able to say anything about watermarks for instance!

"Laid paper" - apart from the cases of hand-made paper - does NOT exist. No matter how many studies you may want to cite! The "stripes' you see are EITHER part of a watermark OR the result of a treatment of ready made, finished paper!

"Laid paper" does not exist neither in stone age nor now.

Paper has got many aspects which deserve to be mentionned systematically.

Paper weight can be meaasured in grams/m2. Before WWII most stamp papers had 60grams and 80grams was considered thick! Since the late 1960-ies most papers have a 100-110grams/m2! And nobody refers to that as "thick"!

The "chalk papers" have a discussion of their own! British experts prefer to call no-chalk coated papers "substitute paper".

Your book refers to "batonne wove" and "batonne laid" - whatever the difference may be they were definitively "stone age" 19th century Mexico or prehistoric Afghanistan...


The Stamp Collector's Handbook is likely to be issued before WWII and giving examples mainly from the stone age!

Nowadays collectors of Mexican stamps have to deal with allegedly 14 types of paper of their Mexico Exportas [1975-1993], let alone the number of papers used for the subsequent definitives of Mexico.

Try to study modern Mexico [or post-1960 British definitives] and after that you will be convinced that ALL pre-2000 studies of classical stamps [1840-1924] have to be re-done! Not only as far as paper is concerned but in any field that is dealing with printing technics!