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Cravat On Postal Stamps

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Posted 02/23/2018   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add johnc to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Cravat on postal stamps
It is known that Cravat comes originally from the Croatian.
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cravat
- academia-cravatica.hr/en/

Do you have some stamps that display Cravat?

At the beginning of the 7th century we can note the setting of the Croats, one of the oldest European peoples, on the present day ethnic and historic territory, Although small in number, their contribution to the European culture is, nevertheless, remarkable. A tie is the Croatian contribution to the general development of clothing and fashion.
The etymology of the word, as the majority of the dictionaries and encyclopedias will note it, indicates to its Croatian origin. In the mid-17th century, the French introduced the word "Cravate" into their language to describe a piece of cloth worn round the neck. It was, probably under the influence of the word "Krawate" from a German dialect (the German literary standard language word was Krote - Croatian).
One of the popular background information to why a cravat got its name after the Croats is as follows: In the 17th century, during the thirty years of war (1618 - 1648) in which France and Sweden had united forces against the German Empire the Croatian soldiers served as mercenaries in the light cavalries of both armies.
One of the 24 cavalry regiments that were formed in France in 1643 was the Croatian regiment "Royal-Cravattes". It was an elitist regiment which fought many battles for the kings Louis XIII and Louis XIV. Its soldiers differed from other French troops in their warring strategies, arms and uniforms. A peculiar detail of their uniform was a kerchief knotted around the neck. Not only did the French soldiers adopt the fashion of wearing the neck kerchief, but it soon grew very popular among the civilians.
THE CROATS CAN ONLY THINK OF THE MILLIONS OF MEN WORLDWIDE-WHO EVERY MORNING TIE A KNOT UNDER THEIR SHIRT COLLARS WITHOUT EVEN BEING AWARE ITS ORIGIN IS CROATIAN.

Stamps were printed in sheet of 20 stamps, and in block and first day sheet (with set of stamps and block)
Source of this article: Croatian Post

Here is my Block of 3 stamps

The First Tie of the Croatian Soldier, 1630
The Tie of the English Dandy, 1810
The Tie of a Businessman, 1995
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Posted 02/24/2018   12:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KlausR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John,

not many stamp issues especially dedicated to cravats, according to Michel online catalogue. Stamps depicting people wearing a cravat should be in plenty, do these count as well?

Klaus
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Posted 02/24/2018   01:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @KlausR
Thanks for your support topic. That's what I thought, but that was my desire to see that there were other postal stamps in the world. Best regards
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Edited by johnc - 02/24/2018 01:06 am
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Posted 02/24/2018   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ursa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have any stamps depicting the cravat, however...

I think it's worth mentioning that two items close to the philatelic world were developed in Croatia: the mechanical pencil--the tool of choice for writing catalogue numbers on the backs of stamps--and the cartridge-based fountain pen, of which countless pieces of mail were composed with.

I am proud to be a person of Croatian descent, and hope to visit Croatia someday!
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Posted 02/25/2018   01:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kris Rascher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Time to honor Baron Pierre de Coubertin (1863-1937), the initiator of the Olympic games, as the winter games close in Korea today. The stamp from Bosnien-Herzegovina was issued 100 years after the first games in Greece and the one from Monaco for his 150th birthday. Surely Coubertin would have enjoyed seeing all the new winter sports as well.

Hello John, Are you interested in the other types of ties shown in your Croatian stamps? Some of them can be quite extravagant. K.
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Posted 02/25/2018   02:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @Ursa
Thank you for participating in the topic.
BTW: You should visit Croatia. It is a beautiful country, full of natural preserved riches. Clean Adriatic Sea, Clean Air of Velebit and Biokovo (mountain chains), beautiful Plitvice Lakes, beautiful Slavonia plains, homemade food and many more. All of this is located within approximately 300 km from Zagreb (the capital)
I have a friend in US. She has been twice in Croatia. She gives me support in collecting my stamps from the USA. Thanks to her I have Total Eclipse stamps and the US Postal Stamp catalog 1847-2005. You can see on my homepage. She is also Croatian descent.

Hi @Kris Rascher
Thank you for participating in the topic.
Like the production and quality of these stamps from Monaco (consisting of dashes and dots).
BTW: I do not understand it completely. What interests you?

Best regards to both.
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Edited by johnc - 02/25/2018 03:01 am
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Posted 02/25/2018   03:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

My reasoning:
Look for the man, not the Cravat, and (hopefully) it will lead you to it.

So.... I checked Poirot (Nope bow tie) Sherlock Holmes (Naaah)

Then Oscar Wilde (Maybe you'll get a suitable stamp there, but not sure)

"I don't want to go to Heaven....none of my friends are there "...Oscar Wilde.

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Posted 02/25/2018   05:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @rod222
Very interesting. Thank you.
Have a nice day.
Best regards from Croatia :)
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Posted 02/26/2018   12:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kris Rascher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The famous naturalist/botanist Freiherr Nikolaus Joseph von Jacquin (1727-1817) had a fine men's neck kerchief, perhaps made of silk.

John, does a tie like this have a special name? That was my question yesterday - would you also like to see bow ties, for example?
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Posted 02/26/2018   12:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KlausR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some more cravats.

Klaus
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Posted 02/26/2018   02:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @Kris Rascher

Quote:
John, does a tie like this have a special name?

I do not know if it is made of silk perhaps a 'silk tie'.
I would say in Croatia "silk scarf around his neck"

Quote:
would you also like to see bow ties, for example?

I would like to see the butterfly knit instead of the tie, on the postal stamps (if possible).
Best regards

BTW: I have created a tutorial, "How to properly tie the tie, step by step".
If you are interested I can place a link here (of course if I do not violate the forum rules)
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Edited by johnc - 02/26/2018 02:49 am
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Posted 02/26/2018   02:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @KlausR
Thank you for your participation in the topic.
Very nice stamp, I prefer postal stamps from older years.
These modern post stamps are somehow "artificial".
Best regards
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Posted 02/26/2018   02:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kris Rascher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Klaus, I chose one of your stamps and looked it up, the Australian one of 1960. It shows a girl guide of the times and Lord Robert Baden-Powell, founder of the organization. The tie was an important part of the uniform as were the badges, sometimes attached to the tie. I even found a picture of Princess Elisabeth in her uniform of the 30s.

I always enjoy finding out as much as I can about the topic - I hope you don't mind my adding this. K.
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Posted 02/26/2018   03:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @Kris Rascher

Quote:
I always enjoy finding out as much as I can about the topic - I hope you don't mind my adding this

I'm glad to get back to the topic again. It's always nice to see something new, and to learn something new.
In the last two to three months I have learned a lot of this new thing by looking at postal stamps.
Best regards
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Posted 02/26/2018   07:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KlausR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kris,

it's always interesting to know more about a particular stamp. Of course I don't mind, thanks for sharing.

@johnc
I'll have a look for butterfly/bow ties.


Klaus
First some more neckties.
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Posted 02/26/2018   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KlausR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And some more.

Klaus

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