Switzerland Sc# C12A Sells For 3x Cv

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/3...047675.l2565

This just blows me away that the item sold for that much. And once again I'm beat out by one bid. Why wasn't someone else (not me) beat by one bid. It happens on about 70% of my attempts of winning an item. I know the person who won this item just posted one bid, but I could have almost predicted the hammer price. I've complained about this before and the general response is "everyone just gets beat by one bid", well Duh. The frequency of my losses to me is uncanny.

I guess I slipped off topic there. The Swiss C12a must be under valued in Scotts. I must confess I have been looking a nice used copy for some time. It reminds me of the thread about low CV stamps you just can't find. Cheers! Wolf-==-

on Eb some people have access to all "bids" and at the last 10 second, there they go
Rene

Hi; You might try Delcampe in Switzerland listngs.There are some
going for much cheaper(grilled gum)

Looks like they set a snipe bid the day before. They may have set their max bid at $10 or $12 or anything higher than your bid. The only way to beat them is to outbid their max.

I believe this example is close to the ideal if not the ideal for a collector from Switzerland or Germany, or someone who collects in that style. That is, a CDS corner cancel (that is not a CTO) in the lower right corner of the stamp. This is considered premium quality. You might know this, otherwise why bid so high yourself(?)



Your bid was just one increment lower (50 cents) and you can't believe it sold for that much? Please explain, if you would.



True, unless they've selected the "beat any bid" option, that will kick in even when bidding is supposedly over.

I've never heard of this, how does this happen?




I've never heard of this either? How does this work?

"Beat any bid" sounds like a shiller's dream (not the dead philosopher).

I did check Delcampe and there are very few pre-40 airmails listed. Another thing I noticed on better items is the starting bid is 75% or more of the CV. Not what I want to pay. Thanks! Wolf-==-

I lost 20 odd bids on Reunion last month.
I just shrug and carry on, you set your price, if someone beats you well good luck to them. Polishing your discipline is a worthwhile journey in this hobby.

This is an option ALWAYS on the popup box to enter your bid on auctions. You might think it just beats the current high bid but when set it will win for a bidder no matter what.

This has happened more than once to me. Say you are clearly high bidder with less than one second left. The auction ends, but you oddly get no message that says you won the item. Check the bid history and you will find someone beat you by one increment at zero time left. Since my top bid wasn't showing, no human bidder could guess what that was, and more than once besides. I don't know of any sniper program that would let you bid at zero seconds; if there is, I'd like to know about it. It can only be someone else using that "win a any cost" option.

In live auctions, auctioneers or auction agents are sometimes given "buy" bids -- the same thing, buy it no matter what. So that's where that concept comes from. Most auctioneers or agents will then ask for a maximum bid, but such bidders usually leave the top bid open. I have seen these come from people to whom money is no object on rather minor items, like a beginner album collection that a kid in the family saw during viewing. And they were bid up by ****s who thought something really good was in the collection because someone was bidding strongly.

I've never heard of this - with either live or internet auctions.

By definition - if there's 2 bidders like this - it cannot work. (The auction would never end!)

???

Just to go back to the starting question, the 2015 Swiss Zumstein catalog quotes this stamp (#12x) at 6 francs (about the same in US$)used. For the 1923 version of the stamp (#12) the used value is 80 francs.

Of course, but it usually ends one way or another. I assume ebay doesn't allow 2 bidders to do this or they have some arbitrary cutoff for the top bid. I've seen a couple of live auctions where the bidding did reach comparatively ridiculous levels and the bidding agent and auctioneer agreed to end bidding, just to be practical. In one case, if the actual bidders were in attendance, I think the auction would have gone on until one or the other got tired. In another case there was a very unhappy underbidder (with an unhappy lawyer besides) and the auctioneer had to go to European contacts to find and get a duplicate item. You'd think it ended up being very profitable for the auctioneer but the cost of time spent apparently exceeded the final price, which had to be the same for the item that was sold at auction.

Right Cursus, I was looking for the grilled version. The 1923 regular paper version has a significantly higher value. Scott doesn't seem to have such high CV. The Scott 2015 catalog lists the grilled at $3.25. Cheers Wolf-==-