DDR Walter Ulbricht - Help With Handwritten Notes

Recently I purchased a pile of DDR stamps with some notes in German.
Attached pictures show comments about DDR Walter Ulbricht Mi# 846,847 and 937. All stamps are expertized, but without any clarifications (just names). Please help to understand what former owner tried to say here. Thanks

Igopp,

If the stamps have been expertized by BPP, there should be more information on the expert mark on the back. Sometimes it's cryptic. A scan of the expert mark would be helpful.

I can't make out the first word but he wrote that it has a watermark 1 (Wz. 1 Kreuzblumen). The only 846 with that wmk. is a 846 Zx I3. The I3 is referring to the type (There are 4):




As he correctly wrote, the normal watermark for this issue is a Wz3 (Kreuzblüten)

Working on number two.

Dan

This is not my collecting area, and I'm not a native German speaker, so take this with a grain of salt.

These stamps can be found with three different watermarks (in Michel, Wz 1, Wz 3X, and Wz 3Y). Wz 3X is typically the most common, with some Wz 1 and some Wz 3Y (3Y is the 3X watermark reversed). The design of the three watermarks is referred to as a "Kreuzblumen" (singular, Wz 1) or "Kreuzblüten" (plural, Wz 3X and 3Y), meaning milkwort flower. You can see examples on my website here.



I believe the notations on all three are references to the watermarks being Wz 1 instead of Wz 3. In short, check your watermarks.

I get the same verdict as PostmasterGS. The second notes the usual number (Zahl) is 3, here 1. That is, the normal watermark is a Wz3 here it is a Wz1.
The only type of this stamp with a Wz1 is a 847 Zx I2. (This stamp comes in 2 types. The I2 is a type 2:




The third notes that this stamp also has a Wz1 (Kreuzblumen)instead of (statt)a Wz3. There is only one type of stamp with this watermark too, 937 ZxI.

In other words, they are all watermark issues.

Dan

Thanks - I could not figure out it was about watermarks. Now everything is clear - I am familiar with Type descriptions provided in Michel Specialized catalogue. And for expert marks - I have image attached. First one (with long name) is on #937 and "Rehn" is on #846 and 847. Unfortunately I do not see any descriptions except name of the expert.

Igopp,

Looks like the question is solved. Thanks for showing the back expert marks.

I can't make out the first name but Rehn did (does?) expertization of East German stamps. I'm used to seeing stamps expertized by BPP. Their protocol is to include "BPP" after the expert's name and sometimes the more difficult aspects of the stamp. Here's an example of a 97AXbat stamp. Only the color (ba) and paper (t) is noted.

My guess is that Rehn did the expertization independently of BPP and since a watermark test rules out all the other possibilities no additional information was included.


Dan

Another question about the Walter Ulbricht stamp series.
Michel's catalog describes in detail all kinds of types, but I always assumed that on each particular sheet the stamps are homogeneous. Recently, I purchased several full sheets and among them I found couple of amazing sheets with Type I and Type II stamps mixed on the same sheet. I have two pictures attached: the first one shows full sheet of MiNr.937, and the second one shows top left corner of that sheet. Obviously, the stamps in the first row are type II, and in the second row type I (as described in Michel). Actually on this sheet there are only 2 rows of Type II (the first and the last row). The rest of stamps are Type I.
I searched on the Internet and found a reference (in German) to such mixed sheets, but without any details. I hope that some experts can help me to find more information about it. How common are such sheets? Is there any resources of information? Are there any other stamps of Walter Ulbricht series with similar mixed sheets? or it is only possible with #937?
Thanks in advance.