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Germany S.c. 2A And 17A

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Posted 04/20/2018   12:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rebex to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,

Please forgive my unfamiliarity with terms/concepts . I've been lurking for a while after a huge inheritance (15+ moving boxes full of albums/envelopes/loose U.S. and world stamps from an avid collector so far) and have learned quite a bit, but I am still new to this so if I have terms wrong please let me know.

I have (what I believe to be) Germany Scott #s 2a and 17a. I'm going off of the 2013 stamp catalog. I have two questions:

1. I've had several 'whoa' moments turn to 'meh' moments as far as stamp value goes due to incorrect identification (e.g. wrong perf or watermark). Have I identified these stamps correctly?

2. If I have identified these correctly, the 2013 catalog doesn't list a value for 2a (though it is listed). How (other than posting on here) do I go about finding the S.V. for this stamp?

Thanks in advance!
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Posted 04/20/2018   02:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First of all welcome to SCF.

You appear to have cutouts from postal stationery.

These cutouts were also shown in collecting albums of the early part op stamp collecting.( I do not like them, I regard them as damaged goods)

Value is almost always none existent. A rare cancel being the exeption.

Kind regards,

Johan.
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Posted 04/20/2018   08:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These stamps exist imperforated.Must scan the back for the paper.
Is it thin? Thick?
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Posted 04/20/2018   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These stamps Seem to exist imperforated. but even Michel catalogue doesn't give any value for 2U (Scott 2a)
If the paper is thick it's a cut-out from pa postal stationery card,just as Joha
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Posted 04/20/2018   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I try again (bug?)
These stamps seem to exist imperforated but even Michel catalogue doesn't give any value for 2U (Scott 2a)
If the paper is thick it's a cut-out from a postal stationery card,as Johan said.
If the paper is thin it's probably a cut-out from a perforated stamp (margins are almost invisible)
Hope it will not be a "meh" moment for you.
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Posted 04/20/2018   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 04/20/2018   09:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp (MiNr 2U) linked by perf12 also appears to be a stationery cutout, though the quality of the scan may be the culprit. The print quality of the stationery is slightly different from the stamps, and the paper upon which these stamps were printed is very thin.

EDIT: And the 4U linked by perf12 is also a postal stationery cutout.
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Edited by PostmasterGS - 04/20/2018 09:57 am
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Posted 04/20/2018   09:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are obvious postal stationery cutouts, always much lighter than the stamps. The 1/2 Gr. appears to be Mi. S1, and the 1 Gr. appears to be U5.

The Michel catalog alerts you when there is a postal stationery of a particular stamp. Scott is useless in this regard; they tell you nothing.
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Posted 04/20/2018   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why is this seller asking so much??
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Posted 04/20/2018   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
He's advertising them as legitimate 2U and 4U. I'd be surprised if that's actually the case, though.

The printing on the stamps is much finer than on the postal stationery due to the difference in paper, and it's pretty easy to distinguish them with a good scan. Compare the scans from my website here and the seller's scans, particularly the detail in the vertical hash marks. They're noticeably different around the value numerals and at the "S" and "CH" in REICHSPOST.

The only reason I'm not 100% sure in my opinion is that the scans on the seller's website aren't great.
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Posted 04/20/2018   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rebex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for all of the responses. Here are a couple of better quality scans (front and back). The paper seems quite thin, but I realize that that's a relative statement.

I'm okay with the stamps not being worth a small fortune. I've been having a great time going through and organizing the massive quantity of stamps I've received. I've also learned quite a bit about historic world geography!

In the future I'll reference the Michel catalogue for German stamps.

Becky


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Posted 04/20/2018   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rebex stamp:


Hahn stamp:



PostmasterGS stamp:


(Note; The numeral "1" is of the same type as the large shield type in the
first two pics.)
Some added info:
http://www.exponate-online.de/e_exp...sp?a=1&e=163


((((Theme: German Empire Private postal stationery with stamp Brustschild))) below:
http://www.philaseiten.de/cgi-bin/i...=10345&F=517
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Posted 04/20/2018   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's difficult to compare scans of differing quality, but here's what I look for. Stamp is the top 1 of 3:


Note that the horizontal lines of vertical hashes intersect the "H" and "S" on the stamp and the "C" and "T" on the postal stationery.


Note that horizontal line of vertical hashes contains fewer, less-defined hashes on the postal stationery.
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Posted 04/20/2018   3:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The most striking difference between the "Brustschilde" stationery cutouts and the stamps is the frame, Whereas the stationeries have only a frame line, the stamps have a solid background frame that continues throughout the sheet.
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Posted 04/20/2018   3:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The easy way to tell the difference between the stamp and postal stationary is the thickness of the outer frame .
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Posted 04/20/2018   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

And not to forget, no white around the stamps

Hornet
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