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Japan 1/2 Sen Side Bars Are Different

 
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Posted 05/01/2018   2:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Petro to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,
This Japan 1/2 sen has different drawing than the ones in catalogue .
The side bars ends are different .
Do you have guys any idea why?
Or where can I found info?
Thank you
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Posted 05/01/2018   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Petro - I am sorry, but at first glance your stamp seems to me a forgery, which would explain the difference. However keep your spirit up as I might very well be wrong. I am confident someone more knowledagable on classic Japan will give a more precise verdict.
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Posted 05/01/2018   3:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good eye! Though there is some variability in the genuine as the designs were done one by one.

Sorry, this is indeed a forgery. The genuine 1/2 sen gray does not exist with syllabic 1 ("i"), the character in the box. The cherry blossoms in the corners are a bit small and (I think) all genuine should have a stem/branch showing above the leaf second from the bottom at left.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 05/01/2018 3:34 pm
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Posted 05/01/2018   5:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, an easy way to tell on any stamps of this era is to count the number of front petals in the chrysanthemum. If there's anything other than 16 petals, then it's a forgery.

Having 16 petals doesn't mean that it's genuine, but you can easily rule out a stamp as a forgery if it doesn't have 16 petals.

(I've counted this one several times, and unless I'm doing something stupid consistently (and that's always a possibility!), there are 15 petals on this stamp.)

Also, it is important to note what Hy-Brasil mentioned. These first stamps were hand-engraved, so, even among the genuine ones, there are small differences from one stamp to another. To me, even the genuine ones can look a little "amateurish" at times.

The hand-engraved stamps for Japan were Scott 1-8 (the Dragons) and Scott 9-54A (the Cherry Blossoms). With these, because they were so highly forged, I think it's best to always assume the stamp is a forgery, and then work to prove that it's genuine, rather than the other way around.

Here's bit of information from the Int'l Society for Japanese Philately:

http://www.isjp.org/ForgeryGroup
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Posted 05/01/2018   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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With these, because they were so highly forged, I think it's best to always assume the stamp is a forgery, and then work to prove that it's genuine, rather than the other way around.


Excellent advice.

I have a half dozen early Japan stamps like that shown and I just assume they're forgeries.
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Posted 05/02/2018   1:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petro to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much guys lot of new important information for me. I really appreciate it. Always is something new to learn.

Thank you



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Posted 05/02/2018   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You bet!

And there *is* always something new to learn. That's one of the reasons I think it's a great hobby, and I'm hoping it will help keep my mind engaged as I enter into my dotage.
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