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Fleetwood Proof Cards 1980 1981 James Hoban

 
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Posted 08/11/2018   10:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rittenhouse to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
OK. I have been asking this question for years. There Is the Fleetwood proof day card first day o f issue of the James Hoban stamp design. I have several that give the date of 1980 instead of the official release date of 1981. Are they of any value? Of course anyone with a printer can fake these ;but I am assuming that they are legit. Are they worth anything? I paid less than $3 each time when I purchased a group of proof cards that were in the group . maybe the seller didn't notice, maybe the seller didn't care or maybe they really are not worth anything. they are in perfect condition.

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Posted 08/12/2018   06:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blcjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Without a picture I am not sure what stamp this is, but Fleetwood "proof" cards are very common. They are "proofs" of the cachet design for the first day covers of the same stamp, and are issued in such large quantities that they are little value. A quick search of ebay's SOLD Fleetwood proof cards showed most sales at 99 cents or less, one selling for $10, a few at up to $3-5, and a couple of bulk sales that averaged $2 to #3.50 per card. I saw one "Hoban" proof card for sale at $6.99, but that is not as meaningful as the results of actual sales.

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Posted 08/15/2018   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rittenhouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this is the images/ If you can see one of the dates state 1980 and the other reads 1981. Are they of any value? it's strange that I had three of them and never paid more than about 75 cents for them when bought by chance.does that prove that they are very common and worthless or am I just lucky.
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Posted 08/15/2018   10:19 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not my area, but since they are both otherwise identical, I would chalk it up to wrong year slug in the canceler, i.e., mechanical error. Likely of little value.
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Posted 08/16/2018   9:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rittenhouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
in the stamp world nothing is of little value when someone wants to add it to their collection,(Elvis Costello reference.). when a stamp or postal item, has even the slightest almost imperceivable difference from the millions o f others it automatically assumes a value. Also fortunately the core issue of 1981 is somewhat faded or toned in color; where as the "misprint" is bright white and in mint condition. I might start them off on ebay at $50 for the pair without drawing attention
to the date difference, lets see if some eagle eyed guy can spot the difference and place a bid..since I only paid less than a dollar for it, I will accept offers of $25. I think it would look good in a frame side by side with the correct date and perhaps a first day cover or some blocks of the Hoban sheet.
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Posted 08/17/2018   07:34 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
... and you can list it along with a "red line error". Good luck.
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Posted 08/17/2018   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blcjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The fact that it is one in a million that is different does not mean it will be valuable if no one is interested it it. Value is not determined by rarity or scarcity per se.

In my opinion, this would be of interest only to someone who already has a special interest in the Hoban stamp. If that someone were preparing a first day cover exhibit, it would be of some interest. But I doubt even them that it would fetch the kind of prices you are imagining. If these were proof cards of the 65c Hap Arnold stamp, which I have an FDC exhibit of, I'd find it interesting. But I'd consider the prices you are describing little short of extortion. For an item that might not otherwise normally sell for more than a dollar or so, I wouldn't pay $10 dollars for it. It really would not add that much to my exhibit.

I do not think you understand your market very well.

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Posted 08/17/2018   12:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A lot sold on ebay recently with the same two cards plus three more for just over $6 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Proofcard-...047675.l2557


Oh...same lot as the in the OP.
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Posted 08/17/2018   3:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rittenhouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IT is true that the market is driven on desirability ,availability and lack of common sense. Not unlike the real estate market. Who in their right mind would pay $40 or $75 million for an apartment in New York when you can buy a 500 acre estate in New jersey for $8 million, ( no jokes about jersey, its quite beautiful. I know for a fact that one of these cards that included the original letter from Fleetwood announcing the "mishap" in the date cycle.SOLD FOR $600!!!! nOW YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK..BECAUSE I DID!! Many sellers on ebay sell those announcement letters and folders that are released with new stamp releases. Most people throw them out.I was fortunate enough to receive some in a bulk sale of stamp items.I try to take care of all of my postal items no matter how insignificant the may seem ;and that one paid off.
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Posted 08/17/2018   4:13 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And if that doesn't work, you could always crease some stamps and sell them as rare errors.
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I know for a fact that one of these cards that included the original letter from Fleetwood announcing the "mishap" in the date cycle.SOLD FOR $600!!!! nOW YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK..BECAUSE I DID!!


Rittenhouse - if you are sure you know the value of these FDC date errors what is the purpose of your original post?

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Are they worth anything?


Are you just trolling for a buyer?

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I might start them off on ebay at $50 for the pair . . . I will accept offers of $25.

or are you trying to convince us of the great value of your "rare" FDCs?

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Posted 08/17/2018   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rittenhouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
THERE was no reason other than what I originally asked. "what are they worth? I have several of them and they did not sell, I am wondering what is the value of them. this site is for questions about postal items is it not? there are no financial or ego benefits for asking questions on this site or any satisfaction from a sale. this site does not charge a fee. why would I visit this site to "TROLL" ?ebay has millions of visitors. I doubt if this site comes anywhere near that number,its good to see the responses from some of you who seem offended at the situation..very strange,
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Posted 08/17/2018   9:54 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You came here asking what they are worth, and when you didn't get the answer you wanted to hear, you started being argumentative. If it doesn't matter what we think (or anyone else thinks) about the value, then why bother asking?

If you're certain you have a gold mine, then the best of luck to you and I hope you make a fortune.
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