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Let's All Welcome A New Philatelic Description Term: The Partial Pair

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Posted 09/27/2018   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add James Drummond to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Looks like just bad trimming to me.

What do you think?

Jim

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Posted 09/27/2018   10:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampman2002 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it sort of is, isn't it?

Perhaps we could call it a stamp and a half?

Stamp with jumbo margin at bottom?

How about bonus offering: Buy 1 get 1/2 for free!!!

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Posted 09/27/2018   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is a partial pair valued at 1.5 times cv?
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Posted 09/27/2018   10:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alas, the term has been used on ebay before. The fact that it is ludicrous has never stopped anyone before.
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Posted 09/27/2018   11:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know. It's not a full pair, so what would you call it? It seems to me it's a partial pair, meaning part of a second stamp and all of the first stamp. It's just a descriptive name. so why make an issue of it? I hadn't ever heard the term before, but now if I see it I'll know what it is. That's how language works.
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Edited by DrewM - 09/27/2018 11:26 pm
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Posted 09/28/2018   12:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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so why make an issue of it?


'cuz it's along the lines of "almost pregnant," "nearly died," "close to very fine," and so on.

All of these are nonsensical terms.

Jim
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Posted 09/28/2018   12:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So if you have a half stamp at the top, the space between the stamps, and a half stamp at the bottom, what would this be called? Wouldn't that also be called a partial pair? If so, I suppose one would need to define how much of the top stamp and how much of the bottom stamp that would have to be present to call such an item a partial pair?

If a stamp pictures a pear and it were bisected, would this be a partial pear?

I guess this wasn't punny enough!
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Posted 09/28/2018   01:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"cuz it's along the lines of "almost pregnant," "nearly died," "close to very fine," and so on. All of these are nonsensical terms."

But that's my point. It's not nonsensical if it means something. It means it's part of a pair of stamps, but not the entire pair. That's a legitimate way to describe these things. What else would you call it? The example of sloppy use of stamp grading terms is clearly an annoyance, but it's a (mistaken) value judgment by someone. Naming a partial pair of stamps is not. It's an identifying label so we know what someone is talking about. New names are created all the time. This is a new one I hadn't heard before, but it makes sense.

I don't so much care, by the way, about "partial pairs" which I don't think I've ever seen any of, but I do care that language, including new identifying names which make sense, not be considered as silly. I don't think this name is at all silly.

Lots of people have "nearly died," by the way. But I'd say "partially pregnant" was the sillier term (not "almost pregnant" which I imagine has happened many times!). All in good humor!

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Posted 09/28/2018   02:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ringo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How is "neary died" or "close to very fine" nonsensical? They make logical sense to me. I know what they mean.

"Almost pregnant" doesn't but I can think of a situation in which anyone would ever use it. If they did, sure it's non-sensical, but that doesn't mean other terms are.
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Posted 09/28/2018   08:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A "partial pair" is simply a "jumbo single". At least until you have about 90% of the second stamp. Then it becomes a "damaged pair".
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Posted 09/28/2018   08:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Very close to fine" is nonsensical if for no other reason then it is totally subjective.
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Posted 09/28/2018   08:37 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
People use "Almost VF" rather than "FVF" or "F+" because being merely better than an average "Fine" example isn't as potentially lucrative as "just a smidge below VF".

Puffery.

And I agree with Bart. These are at best jumbo singles.

P.S. I'm surprised no one has started using the term "pairish" to describe items like these.
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Edited by revenuecollector - 09/28/2018 08:39 am
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Posted 09/28/2018   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do they border on never hinged?
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Posted 09/28/2018   12:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
VLH (very light hinge) - a description I've seen on ebay.

Rumor is, there are those who believe they are sanctified (NH).
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Posted 09/28/2018   8:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
VLH (very light hinge)is a description that goes back to before any of us were born. I have seen it in VERY old time collections.
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Posted 09/29/2018   03:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dry Tech to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't know. It's not a full pair, so what would you call it?

In the case of the OX18 how about simply "OX18 NG/NH showing about one third of the adjacent stamp below"
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