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Russian Experts For 1924 February - 1925 March Issue

 
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Posted 10/15/2018   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add zuzelu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Please help me identify these stamps. To me they are as per Zagorsky catalog (46Pa, 47Pa, 52Pa, 53Pa)


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Posted 10/16/2018   12:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,they look like Michel 249E,250E,255E,256E if they're unwatermarked.
But they could as well be Mi 278B,279B,285B,286B
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Edited by vayolene - 10/16/2018 02:37 am
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Posted 10/16/2018   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zuzelu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can not be Michel 278B...286B since these have watermark.
The ones I've posted don't have.
More opinions? Are they genuine?
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Edited by zuzelu - 10/16/2018 10:07 am
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Posted 10/16/2018   11:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vasia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are Zagorsky 0121,0122,0123,0124. These stamps, on unwatermarked paper of different qualities (with or w/o honeycomb) were printed in March 1926, but were never released for postal use. They were sold through the Soviet Philatelic Agency. This unissued series also included: 7k, 2R, 3R and 5R stamps.
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Edited by vasia - 10/16/2018 12:00 pm
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Posted 10/16/2018   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1. In addition to the common features, the mark 396 (lithography) differs from the mark 276 (typographical): the broader figure is 8; The worker's arm and chest are joined by three bright, uninterrupted strokes (in typographical, the chest and arm are separated by a dark stripe).
2. On the mark 397 (reduced image of the worker) the distance from the top of the cap to the white frame is 0.8 mm (for the brand 396 - 0.5 mm), a narrower figure 8. The worker's hand and chest are connected with only one light stroke. The shadow between the arm and the chest is wider than on the mark 396.


no.276 no.396 no.397 Above
The imperfs of this serie had 3 issues.
1) 1923 oct-1924 jan _ Litho no wmk
2)1923 dec -1926 march_ Typo. no wmk
3) 1926 Typo wmk

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Posted 10/16/2018   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zuzelu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Vasia, definitely they are not on honeycomb paper.
Both editions (1924 & 1926) are typo and no watermark.
This adds to confusion.
What make them different?
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Posted 10/16/2018   2:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These stamps without WMK can only be the 1923-1926 Typographed stamps.The stamps you have
do not exist with those values in the first issue.
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Posted 10/16/2018   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zuzelu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They do exist. Same values, same colors (unless there is a slight difference...) See photo. Must be something else.
Anyone expert in Russian stamps?
Attached is one from the same year that is certified genuine and is pretty damn expensive.



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Posted 10/16/2018   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your catalog pic is of the perforated stamps 14 1/2 x 14 3/4
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Posted 10/16/2018   3:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From Michel catalog :
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Edited by vayolene - 10/17/2018 12:27 am
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Posted 10/16/2018   3:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Imperf 1925-1926 on the Bottom of your catalog.
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Posted 10/16/2018   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zuzelu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OMG, Michel is crap for anything else than Germany.
Look carefully at catalog photo I've posted.....it has imperforated as a variety under perforated ones.....
These are very rare and expensive. For Russian stamp use Zagorsky or Zverev catalogs.
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Posted 10/16/2018   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vasia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
zuzelu,

as I mentioned in my previous reply, this 1926 unissued set can be on paper with honeycomb or not. From your scans I cannot determine what the case is. They are the stamps 249E 250E, 255E, 256E in Michel, as mentioned by vayolene. The imperf varieties of the earlier issue do exist, but they are extremely rare and, from what I understand, on grayish paper. The paper of your stamps appears to be definitely white.
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Posted 10/17/2018   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zuzelu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Vasia,
I think is the other way around. The rare ones are on white paper. Look at the 20k green I've posted. That is one of these very rare and expensive. The paper looks white. Mine are not that white.
For people who wonder how expensive the 20k green is....$12,000
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Posted 10/17/2018   3:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vasia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
zuzelu,

the rare stamps you mention are supposed to be imperf versions (basically some sheets that were not perforated) of the 1924-5 third issue of the "small heads". This issue was on greyish paper. The 1926 stamps (seventh issue, typographed, unwatermarked) that were not issued for postal use were on heavier white paper. See the information below from the Lyapin catalogue:


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Posted 10/17/2018   5:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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