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Help With Another Spanish Stamp

 
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Posted 11/09/2018   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add doodah12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is Scott #250, 4p, lilac gray mint $750.00 used, $32.50
This looks mint except for the punch hole, and the
small bluish smudge on left side of stamp, which I'm not sure is a cancelation. I don't see gum on reverse, but my question is, were hole punches used on early Spanish stamps to cancel?
This wouldn't make much sense, as you'd have to hole punch the letter too. There's a big gap in the catalog value between mint and used, so any help is appreciated, thanks.

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Posted 11/09/2018   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jol34 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Punched holes on stamps of Spain indicate they were for telegraph service.
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Posted 11/09/2018   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Further to Jol34
Telegraph punctures.

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Posted 11/10/2018   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doodah12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I found the info at the front of the Spain section of the Scott catalog.
Just can't understand why these stamps are now so devalued.
I just found a Spain, Scott #209, mint with the hole punched.
The mint CV is $810.00. If it's so rare, why would it be now be worth only $20 if it's a Telegraph stamp?
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Posted 11/10/2018   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Because few survive in mint condition without a hole punched in them.
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Posted 11/11/2018   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I assume that it was punched by the clerk when preparing a telegram. So how can a punched stamp still be mint? Or was it pre-punched, before use?
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Posted 11/11/2018   7:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The punched holes are telegraphic cancellations.
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Posted 11/11/2018   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nueva Publicación: CATÁLOGO DE PERFORACIONES (I believe it includes the punched types also)
https://www.agoradefilatelia.org/vi....php?t=17562

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Translated from the Forum Agora de Filatelia:


The perforations you're referring to are from Telegrafos, effectively,
but just like circular drill holes are more common, I think you're
, (T1 to T6), are from some large city with several offices, hence the
numbers.
I think they're weirder than drills. I'll include you anyway
image of the perforations catalog where they appear. The stamps of
high values, such as 4 and 10 pts. they are common in telegraphs and
very rare postally used. Think that 10 pesetas in the year 1890-1900
they were a lot of money and almost always they were the administrations (Government,
courts, town halls and similar), the only ones able to afford a
telegram of that amount. For a private individual it was almost impossible.
If you have more questions I am at your disposal for what you like.
regards
Indeed, it is Telegraph perforations. There are perforations on the "bald" series with "T1" to "T6". On its rarity, see the "Catalog of classic and modern perforations on the stamps of the Post Office of Spain", by Florentino Pérez Rodríguez.

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