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Posted 12/10/2018   11:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are 3 types of dull gum.

1A - Diagonally striated gum. The paper has a sheen and tends to curl.
1B - Diagonally striated gum. The paper has a dull finish and doesn't curl.
2  - Smooth yellow gum. Paper has a dull finish and doesn't curl.

The 3 cent dull gum (plate numbers 37876 and 37877 are all dull gum) is type 1A and tends to make the plate block curl.
The 17 cent which are all gum type 1B and doesn't curl.
The 50 cent is type 2 - yellow.

These scans should help you compare them and see the difference.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/913787637877 target _blank rel nofollow 913787637877 /a ULdullgumtype1A.jpg" border="0" style='cursor:default' onClick='doimage(this,event)'>

J91 37876 and 37877 UL dull gum type 1A



J104 35306 and 35307 UL Dull Gum type 1B




J99 37876 UL Dull Gum type 2
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Posted 12/10/2018   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks postagedueguy.

It looks like both J99 sheets (37876 and 37877) are Dull Gum type 2. Smooth gum, no curl.
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Posted 12/10/2018   11:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are both J99 sheets lower rights? My J99 in the scan is 37876 Upper Left Type 2 (yellow gum) and is unreported in Durland's.
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Posted 12/11/2018   05:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! I've got a Durland on the way.

All 6 sheets are lower right.

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Posted 12/12/2018   5:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now here's some more fun. There's also two different imprint types (the denomination) on the 50 cent denomination.

Type I - nadir of '0'(zero in 50) over 'T' in CENTS.

Type II - nadir of '0' between 'N' and 'T' in CENTS.

Nadir is just a fancy word for the bottom of the '0'. So yours looks like type I (the bottom of the '0' is points the 'T')
and mine is a type II (the bottom of the '0' is points between the 'N' and the 'T). On 37876 only the lower right with yellow gum has been reported. Other denominations also have similar differences.



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Posted 12/12/2018   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting! All 6 sheets are type I where the zero is over the "T". Both your sheet and mine are the same plate number, except for the number placement. I wonder if all J99 sheets with the Plate Number on the upper Left are Type II?
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Posted 12/12/2018   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, I'm confused. I just found another sheet with Plate Number 37876, but not J99 50 cents. This one is a J100 $1.00 sheet.

Is it common for Postage Due to share Plate Numbers across several denominations?
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Posted 12/12/2018   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. The BE&P printed the red frame first and then added the denominations later which were rubber plates much the same as was used for bureau precancels. Therefore it is technically possible to have any plate number on any denomination.

Although since J102 (11 cent) and J103 (13 cent) were issued in 1978 and J104 (17 cent) in 1985 most of the older plate had been retired by that time. I think the only plates that were active in the late 70s until August 1986, when the the postage dues were withdrawn, were 34283, 35282, 35283, 35306, 35307, 37876, and 37877.

Plate 35283 was first sent to press on 1974/07/10 and cancelled on 1978/03/30 after 251,889 impressions. Plate 35282 was first sent to press on 1977/09/10 and cancelled on 1987/11/12 after 112,444 impressions. I know the plate for 35283 was broken and retired. So it must have been broken before 1977/09/10. Then it was replaced by 35282.

I have J99 with 37876 and 37877 both type I and type II in all positions.
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Posted 12/13/2018   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, a question in Durland's on the Postage Due Issues. And I'm just curious how to read the listings. Is it set up for the plate block with the Plate Number as pictured for each issue or the full sheet?
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Posted 12/13/2018   8:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was the dull gum from pre-gummed paper dry printing?
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Posted 12/13/2018   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
So, a question in Durland's on the Postage Due Issues. And I'm just curious how to read the listings. Is it set up for the plate block with the Plate Number as pictured for each issue or the full sheet?


The Durland's Standard Number Catalog is setup for plate blocks by plate number and position.

UL - Upper Left
LL - Lower Left
UR - Upper Right
LR - Lower Right




J95 26833 UL, UR, and LR. The Lower Left position has never been found although it most certainly did exist.


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Was the dull gum from pre-gummed paper dry printing?


The dull gum stamps are from pre-gummed rolls of paper from web-fed rotary press dry printing (Huck-Cottrell) which for the U.S. started in the early 1970's.
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Posted 12/14/2018   07:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have 3 sheets of J95 (27851/27850) all are UR. Unfortunately no 26833.

Although, I did find an interesting strip of J97, but no plate number. Position 71 is missing part of the zero and position 91 is missing part of the zero along with part of the "E" in CENTS.

And the strip is dull gum. Sorry, couldn't figure out how to combine the images side by side.


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Posted 12/14/2018   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, this is fairly common occurrence. Since the plates for the denominations were rubber and as they where used they tended to wear. So broken and missing letters are not uncommon. Here a topic I posted on two sheets of J100 I have completely missing the 'D' in dollar among other problems: https://goscf.com/t/62888. Also the BE&P didn't do a very good job printing this issue since the denomination can be seen all over the frame on all issues.
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Posted 12/15/2018   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely some quality control issues. Way off center J100 strip.

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Posted 12/15/2018   10:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have found it interesting how some of the rare dull gum postage due plate blocks were first discovered and announced on SCF before they were even listed in the Scott catalog. I find SCF to be a great real time place for instantly listing stamp discoveries online.
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