Understanding The Color Of Scott 596

Hello,

as we see the Scott 596 is a topic which appears often on SCF. The answers are always helpful, and most often the experienced collectors say that the color is wrong. The bright yellow green of the 11x10.5 rotary stamp is different from the 594 and 596. The flat stamp perf 11 in opposite has a darker green.

is it that easy:
594 is a coil waste stamp, coming from coil, so I guess we can compare to the color of the coil stamp 597?

596 is a sheet waste stamp, coming from sheets. Is it the perf 10 stamp Scott 581? If yes, it is more the regular green of 581 or the mentioned "pale green" in Scott we could compare to, I guess the regular green?

(no, I don't have any candidate for a 594 or 596, just thought about this as I saw the other recent thread)

Just compare them to the coils. 594 to 597 and 596 to 604. If both the color and the dimensions match exactly then you have one.

thank you. The 604 also comes in different green colors, also a yellow green, which would be the wrong color. So is there the yellow green and the regular green for the 604 stamp, and the regular green is the green of the 596?

Wouldn't the 581 regular green also be a good choice, as the 596 is coming from that sheets?

Scott 596 is a from Scott 581 sheet waste. The 1 cent vertical coil, Scott 604, is very slightly taller than the perf 10 rotary press sheet stamp, Scott 581. Scott 594 shades would match early printings of the 1 cent horizontal coil, Scott 597. Coil and sheet waste production ceased before the switch to perf 11 x 10 1/2 sheet stamps and brighter colors.

For many years the Scott catalog erroneously described 696 as "coil waste" of 604. The error was finally corrected, now many years ago.

Here is a range of colors all certed as 'genuine' by PF.

Well, the PF won't use a caliper :). Anyway my thread is not about seeing a perfect color example of 596 which is not possible via internet (although I whish indeed that the PF would use color management for their scans and preparing the files for the website, at least the last years).

My thread is just about what the title says: understanding the color of Scott 596. After all the other helpful posts - thank you - I now know that 594 comes from 597 coil waste and 596 comes from 581 sheet waste. So for the comparison of size this is great.

Still - what about the color of the 596 :) ?

My choice would be to compare to the 581 color, but there are at least two colors which mentions Scott: "green" and "pale green". I guess the regular "green" is the color to compare to, correct?

Or does the 596 perhaps even exist theoretically in the two colors of the 581 sheets?

As I still don't really know to what we can compare a possible 594 and especially 596, I made two examples to show here.

First one is 597 and 594.
Second is 581 and 596.

Images are all from Siegel Gallery. (There was no high resolution 597.)

I searched a while for scans which I could guess they were the correct color.

Both stamps 597 and 581 also exist with a yellow green. At Siegel and PF (beside the scanner color errors) there are many examples for this yellow green. So just to say we compare to 597 or 581 does not work.

In Scott we find the following colors:
597: green, yellow green, grayish green
581: green, yellow green, pale green

Perhaps anybody has more knowledge than me about the colors of this 1 Cent Franklin design and can help: Which of the mentioned colors would be the coil and sheet waste colors?

And are the examples I give below more or less the right direction, so in both cases a more pale, even bluish green?

stamperix,
You also have to take into consideration if there is any color degradation over the years. If left in the sunlight, this will become "bluer" over time. I think I mentioned once before, trying to identify this stamp by a color variation is not really a fruitful exercise, because there are other more specific factors that will differentiate it. Color does not seem to be a factor that is a reliable gauge for identifying this stamp.

Yes, that's what I also think in general. The reason for this thread is just: very often people ask about 594 and 596 here on the forum, and if it's a yellow green stamp, very experienced collectors answer, that "it's the wrong color". Beside the problems of scans and monitors, after thinking a bit about this, I think it's time to ask back "what is the correct color?" :).

I mentioned the 3 different colors for 581 and 597 as I hoped that 594 and 596 only exist in a certain color range. If not, we should not say "wrong color" anymore.

Since all of these scans were made at different times on different equipment, they have no value for the purpose you are trying to use them for. The only way they would is if they were all scanned together at the same time on the same equipment. Then we would see the actual differences in shades. In addition, Siegel scans are well know for not being the most accurate in terms of shades, one auction viewing will convince most people of that. Items invariably look far better in person; too much so to use their scans for a purpose such as this one.

This thread did not start with any scan, and it's not about scans. It's not even about getting a color sample. I just showed the images above to explain better what I mean and also get an idea of all this.

Here is what it's more about:

Use of coil and sheet waste stopped before the change to lighter greens or three-line "KANSAS CITY MO." precancels.

The Siegel Census:

https://siegelauctions.com/display_...hp?catno=596

Shades may vary because most, if not all, of the Siegel images were produced by a camera on a copy stand. Some, id not all, of the images were saved as CMYK instead of the RGB color space.

http://www.differencebetween.net/te...gb-and-cmyk/

thank you very much, Clark. This is what I searched for, so I will have learned from this thread that the coil and sheet waste stamps exist in the regular "green" as mentioned by Scott, which helps in comparing with the 597 and 581 (if anybody need it). I think it was also interesting to think about if the waste stamps could theoretically appear in another color of the 597 or 581 (which is not true as we have seen now).

stamperix,
I am confused; the inconsistency of Siegel images have previously been discussed in other threads you have participated in.
Don

see my other posts in this thread - it's not at all about the scans. My last answer was to Clark's comment about which colors were used for the waste stamps.