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Posted 01/21/2019   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rob Roy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'll appreciate any feedback.

1) The booklet bellow - how much does it worth? Couldn't find it in my catalogs. It has all the stamps inside.




2) This stamp has a thining but not fully broken circle (of FV).
Can it be Mi:GB 198X (PF I)?




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Posted 01/21/2019   4:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe this will help you with the booklet : https://www.british-stamps.com/brow...sp?subid=173
(maybe F4)
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Edited by vayolene - 01/21/2019 4:46 pm
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Posted 01/21/2019   5:01 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You'll need to show the edition date and the stamps.
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Posted 01/21/2019   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.
It is the SG F1, May 1953.
F1 looks like F4 from outside, but as a thumb rule, if it can be several things, I'll end up with the less expensive one. ;)
Is the price there realistic, 24 pounds? I saw it at ebay for 10.
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Edited by Rob Roy - 01/21/2019 5:30 pm
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Posted 07/26/2023   5:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bumping this thread at request of original poster.
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Posted 07/26/2023   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your stamp booklet has an edition date either on the inside of the front cover, or the inside or outside of the back cover (not sure where it is on this booklet). So read all the texts on the covers to look for a date. It is either

MAY 1953 (F1)
MAY 195 (F1b)
JUNE 1953 (F2)
JULY 1953 (F3)
AUG 1953 (F4), or
SEPT 1953 (F5/F6).

F5 and F6 have interleaving, the others have not.
If it is SEPT 1953, measure the hight of the text on the firstor third labels below the 1d stamps. This reads 'MINIMUM / INLAND / PRINTED / PAPER / RATE / 1 1/2d.'
If it measures 17mm., it is F5. If it measures 15mm., it is F6.
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Posted 07/26/2023   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I am correct, Mi 198X is the 1937 green 1/2d.


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This stamp has a thining but not fully broken circle (of FV).


The stamp I am referring to exists with a broken circle from cylinder 18, no dot pane, row 19, stamp 2.
Your stamp is very normal.
The break in the circle around the value occurs at 3 o'clock.
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Posted 07/26/2023   7:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Don

The back of the booklet looks like this. The date typed is "MAY, 195."


The relevant page in the link that Vayolene shared is the second page.
https://www.british-stamps.com/brow...sp?subid=173
In my opinion, my booklet cover is more brown than green, so it might be closer to F21, F36. What is the difference between the various F's?
The stamps included are Scott 280(6) 1/2d, 281(3) 1d, 294(6) 1 1/2d, 296(6) 2 1/2d
My simplified SG catalog doesn't show booklets - no items starting with "F".
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Posted 07/27/2023   01:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Experience is the best way of learning: look at the descriptions for the two numbers you are suggesting.

Hint: keep in mind your picture shows 'MAY 195.'
Please, do not give me Scott numbers for (British) stamps. I have no idea which they are.
But does your booklet contain a pane with three George VI 1d blue stamps over three labels with a text about the minimum printed matter rates that is 17mm high?

The F-series is for QEII 2/6 booklets. F1-F6 contain GVI stamp panes next to QEII stamp panes.

Both the covers and contents changed over time.
As you can see from the list I provided, each number has its own edition date, and F5/F6 have the same date, but different 1d GVI panes (height of text on the labels).

Edit: also look at the front covers. Concentrate on the 'GPO' logo t the top.
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Edited by NSK - 07/27/2023 02:07 am
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Posted 07/27/2023   02:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As you wrote, GBP 24 is about the SG catalogue value for booklet F1. You will pay that if you buy it from Stanley Gibbons. That would be the price for a booklet with pristine cover and panes and that has all panes with full perforations on top, right, and bottom. If there are defects or the perforations are short, the price will drop - and SG will tell you to move on.

GBP 10 would be a reasonable price for a pristine booklet bought from ebay.

The bad news:
- If your cover is greyish, you might want to have a good look to see whether you can see traces of faded green.

The good news (once you have concluded your booklet is F1b):
Whereas the 2011 catalogue price for F1 was GBP 25, F1b is a printing error that has a catalogue price of GBP 90.
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Posted 07/27/2023   02:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For people interested in the GPO logo for later booklets (ignore the lower part that is not relevant):
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Edited by NSK - 07/27/2023 02:13 am
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Posted 07/27/2023   05:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your guidance.
Inside the booklet, it reads MAY 1953. From Vayolene's link, only SG F1 was issued on that date.
The stamps inside are SG 503, 504, 517, 519.
As for the printing error, I see MAY 1953 on both inner sides of the booklet cover, and "MAY 195. " only on the back. Does it qualify for F1 or F1b?
Were there distinctive booklets with brownish covers, or were all covers greenish, and the brown is a faded shade of the original green?

The funny thing is that I didn't get these booklets on purpose, nor paid accordingly. I buy kiloware or bulks of 1000 stamps or more, and the seller sometimes adds little bonuses, like booklets, covers, FDC and so.
I think I got this with another 6 different Jersey booklets issued 40 years ago.
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Posted 07/27/2023   06:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe you can share a picture of the 'MAY 1953.' But the one you show above is the edition date. That makes it F1b.

The listing for F1-F4 states 'green cover.' So, it does look like this one has faded. the centre of the picture you posted of the cover is more greenish than the border.

SG502 & SG504 are the 1951 'changed colours' (due to UPU requirements) versions of GVI stamps. The mix of GVI and QEII is unique to F1-F6. The 1/2d and 1d QEII stamps did not exist early 1953.

Did you notice the round GPO logo for F1-6 and the oblong logo for later booklets? The crown also moved from the frame (Tudor Crown) to atop (St. Edward's Crown) the frame.
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Edited by NSK - 07/27/2023 06:15 am
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Posted 07/27/2023   07:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the scans.
The inner side of the front cover:

The inner side of the back cover:

I have the 2014 simplified SG catalog and the 2013 standard Scott catalog.
Of the two, only Scott has a booklet identification, not including the print error of 1953, so I'm identifying the error-free booklet as Scott BK64, worth, then, a modest amount of 29.00 US$ CV.

Quote:
SG502 & SG504 are the 1951 'changed colours'
I identified it as SG503, not SG 502.
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Posted 07/27/2023   07:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Typo (502 ==> 503)

SG specialised does not go into detail which of the edition dates is the error that makes it F1b. I, however, still think you have F1b.

That Scott CV is close to SG's catalogue price for F1. The issue remains the cover appears very faded.
Still, if they have full perforstions, the panes of GVI stamps also have value as panes.
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Posted 07/29/2023   1:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone have a catalog for the Channel Islands?
I'd like to identify these booklets.
edit:
I found some basic info about them at...ahm...that place.
I'd still like to hear about any interesting facts and stories if anyone got some.
CV or realistic value are welcome too, though I'm not here to sell.
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Edited by Rob Roy - 07/29/2023 2:12 pm
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