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Questions About Some Russian Cancels (Taipei, Grid, Numeral)

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Posted 02/27/2019   04:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamperix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

those cancels look interesting to me. As I don't have much knowledge about Russia, I would like to know:
1. are those cancels with parallel lines some kind of RPO or Railway cancels? (4 stamps in the 1st row)
2. what town is *ABA ? (3K red and 4K red in the 1st row)
3. is that really a Taipei cancel? Perhaps a known box cancel? (3K red)
4. I have not seen numeral cancels on that early issue with a border circle, which type is this? Maybe Moscow town sub-offices but the dots are too large I think. (10K brown-blue)

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Posted 02/27/2019   04:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Number 3. Try Tallinn! It looks like one of the mid-1920s machine cancels, probably used as a receiving cancel on mail from USSR.
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Posted 02/27/2019   05:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I think you are right - I should have done this before:



Somehow this looked to Asian to me that I read Taipei - without the help of the computer which I used now.

So this cancel is probably explained. Looking forward for learning about the others.
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Posted 02/27/2019   05:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I read "Täieli" . "Täielik" means "full" or "complete" in estonian language.
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Edited by vayolene - 02/27/2019 05:48 am
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Posted 02/27/2019   05:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes indeed, that's why the solution with Tallinn was correct.
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Posted 02/27/2019   06:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the complete machine cancel,on an estonian cover.
That means "for each letter please note the full addressee and the sender's address"


(not mine)
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Edited by vayolene - 02/27/2019 06:51 am
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Posted 02/27/2019   07:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The second stamp has a Warsaw postmark.
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Posted 02/27/2019   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Varshava (Warsaw) with cyrillic writing
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Posted 02/27/2019   08:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The third stamp probably has a LIBAVA postmark.

This is Liepaja in Latvia.
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Posted 02/27/2019   08:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are another four stamps with partial strikes of Warsaw barred postmarks:

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Posted 02/27/2019   08:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the seventh stamp may have one of the earlier style of oval Moscow town post sub-office postmarks.

My only reference for these is Kiryushkin & Robinson who don't show all the varieties.
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Edited by nigelc - 02/27/2019 08:18 am
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Posted 02/27/2019   08:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Libava (Liepaja,Libau in german) on postcard. Thanks Nigel
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Edited by vayolene - 02/27/2019 08:33 am
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Posted 02/27/2019   09:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you very much, Nigel and Valoyene, it's great to see your knowledge and examples here. That helped a lot, I know nearly everything about all my Russian stamps where I was lost.

I think the first stamp is also a Warsaw cancel.
Is there a market for Russian stamps used in Poland as there is for the ones in Finland?
I know the very interesting page about Russian stamps in Finland:
http://www.jiv.dk/finland/stamps_ru-1889.php

Is there a similar information for Poland? (if it's equally important to collectors)

What about the two last stamps in the 1st row, is that a known cancel type, it looks like something typical.
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Posted 02/27/2019   11:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stamperix: try this link for poland.(lot's of pics)
https://www.stampspoland.nl/index.html

Moscow office's .The large squared dot types.Yours looks like the 3rd one top row.
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Edited by perf12 - 02/27/2019 12:58 pm
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Posted 02/27/2019   1:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks perf12.

It's nice to see all these dotted ovals.
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Posted 02/27/2019   1:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you, perf12, for the image. Yes, it's then a Moscow cancel, nice to have for me.

about the link: there is a lot of information about the stamps of Poland, but I didn't find information about Russian stamps used in Poland - or at least I didn't know where to click to find this. Is there a page on this website about the Russian stamps?

To understand it better: are those reveiving cancels or cancels where a Russian cancel was missing, or is it like in Finland that the Russian stamps were actually used there as postage?

PS: I know about the older issue with the Poland ring cancellations, but my stamps are younger and I did not know that Russian stamps were used in Poland to that later time.
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Edited by stamperix - 02/27/2019 1:47 pm
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