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Apparently, This Is How Reperforated Stamps Are Made These Days

 
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Posted 03/07/2019   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add James Drummond to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Kind of a scary tool to potentially be in the hands of someone that maybe has a tilted moral compass.

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Posted 03/07/2019   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh my! The varieties will be flying hot off the press!

Not much different, I have been informed, than what happened at an international show a few years ago. Apparently they brought in an older pin perf machine for G or OHMS punching demonstration.

Then some people were bringing in full sheets of stamps to get them perfed with the original machine and you guessed it, created expensive varieties. You cannot differentiate because it was the original setup.

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Posted 03/07/2019   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
FINALLY I can perf all these 1857 1c Franklin imperf sheets I have...
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Posted 03/07/2019   10:42 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It takes too many 1c stamps to mail a letter, I'm, hoping to perf some of my 1847 imperf 10c sheets.
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Posted 03/08/2019   12:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are enough of thse gizmos around; I believe the Cartel had or still has something similar. It is then even more important that collectors inform themselves on reperf detection. Machines like this typically make very much cleaner cuts than (say) what is found on older US stamps. There are other points as well, which also need to be learned by example. There are lots of analyses in the SCF archives.
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Posted 03/08/2019   02:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codehappy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Specialty gauges are available for various collecting areas (for example, US stamps produced by the BE&P.) I would strongly encourage anyone collecting in an area with a specialty perf gauge available to purchase and use them; they make detecting reperfs in the area they cover a breeze.

These gauges measure both perf spacing and the size of perf holes -- if the stamp doesn't gauge exactly, the stamp's been reperfed. The perforating machines the BE&P used produced perf holes the same shape and size every time, within tight tolerances. A reperf job would have to be almost superhumanly accurate to pass a specialty gauge.

As I've mentioned before, though, it's getting easier and easier for fakers to produce custom tools to alter stamps. Between contracting somebody on certain websites to get custom commercial-grade machines built cheaply in China, or 3-D printing (currently 3-D printing at high-enough resolution is very expensive, but the cost is dropping and the quality increasing all of the time) fakers today have better options than a basic comb perforator that almost certainly will not gauge to any real stamps.
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Posted 03/08/2019   06:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gettinold to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Listing has ended. I guess someone bought it.
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Posted 03/08/2019   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even though the seller calls it a comb perforator, it is actually a stroke peforator which makes line perforations. It was probably called a comb perforator because the perforator looks like a comb but it does not make comb perforations. The most popular real pin hole perforations that one can get from Rosback perforators which have been used by the printing trade are large hole line gauge 11.75 (stroke) and small hole line gauge 12.50 (rotary). The U.S. Kiusalas specialty perforation gauge has both on it as 12-67 and 12.5-63
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Edited by jogil - 03/08/2019 10:36 am
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Posted 03/08/2019   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mstamping to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's crazy. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted 03/08/2019   4:37 pm  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This would be a great tool for someone who has a modern hobby local post (some examples are NASA Local Post, Doc's Local Post, Shrub Oak Local Post, Cadillac Local Post - well, you get the idea). Get some dry gummed paper, use a machine like this - and there you go. I wish I had one. It is a challenging and fascinating field in the collecting sense (Do you have a Yeti Local Post in your collection?) and lots of fun in the hobby local post sense!

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Edited by johnsim03 - 03/08/2019 4:38 pm
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Posted 03/08/2019   11:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add geokstr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of my co-founders of SCADS, Richard Doporto, has created a US Specialty Precision Multi-Gauge, which not only does what the Kiusalas Specialist Gauge did, it has 11 other functions for recognizing grill types, differentiating rotary from flat plate printed stamps, identifying fake Schermack perfs, measuring design and cancel sizes and more. There are detailed downloadable instructions for its use. And all for $15.
http://www.slingshotvenus.com/stamp...tyPerf5.html

He also has many in-depth analyses of US classic fakes with links on that same page, many of which came from my research into ebay stamp fraud in the early 2000s..

In addition to owning the largest plating site for the US 1ct of 1851-57, Richard also does impressive plating certificates for that issue for only $17, using a stereo microscope.
http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...hv_Main.html

In his spare time, he is also a mechanical engineer and long-time member of a rock band, Very bright guy.
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Posted 03/09/2019   07:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just curious, do the admin in this forum encourage the use of such tools? I may consider buying one to experiment on some of the imperf Washingtons and Franklins.
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Posted 03/09/2019   1:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add geokstr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Penny, are you referring to the perfing tool the post was originally addressing, or to the Multifunction Gauge I recommended in my post, which is just a tool to help identify reperforations?
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Posted 03/09/2019   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
geokstr, I was referring to the perforator tool posted by Jim.
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Edited by pennyblackie - 03/09/2019 8:00 pm
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Posted 03/09/2019   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modernstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I never saw that before. Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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