Is This A Canadian Cancel On This US Stamp?

Hello,

I just saw this stamp on ebay and wonder if this is a Canadian cancel?

Are any 2-ring or 4-ring cancels with a number in it on North American stamps (nearly) always cancels from Canada?

Or are there US cancels also showing these characteristics? I would say no?

Seems that this one does not carry any real premium while other Canadian cancels on US stamps seem rare?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Us-182-1879...392230194952

Hi stamperix

All I got is a 4 ring cancel from USA on an American stamp...Just saying.

Robert

I can't give a specific citation, but larger cities in the US used similar killers in the last quarter of the 19th century. This stamp looks like a Scott 182 which has an EKU of 1879. I would say it is impossible to call this a Canadian cancel unless there is a specific aspect of the cancel that ties it to a Canadian Post Office.

It's not Canadian. Probably from Philadelphia or Cincinnati.

Thank you all. I asked as I know the Canadian ring cancellations but no USA at all, although I have bought or downloaded some US cancellation books. I was not aware that there were any numeral cancellations in US stamps at all. So if we find some, it's more like the other well-known duplex killers with letters or stamps in it? Or was there a system in the USA with numbers correlating with cities like in Canada?

And what is the defining characteristic that those above are not Canadian, the number style? Or do we always have to suppose an US cancel on an US stamp until we have a full cover?

The answer is "yes".

Canadian 4-ring numeral cancels were gone by 1869, replaced by distinctive 2-ring cancels; US ring numeral cancels generally date from Bank Note times (as wtcrowe notes) and could have various numbers of rings besides 4. To be clear, the period of use and styles of the 4-ring cancels are different. I've never seen the Canadian 2-ring style used in the US with the same Canadian type style; there might be. But the Canadian 2-ring type might be distinguished by size.

Canadian ring cancels have postal history interest because each number was assigned to an office; US ring cancels just indicated device or clerk numbers. US types were usually common, commercially produced devices, impossible to tell apart on stamps unless you have knowledge of ink used by an office, device damage or some detail. Therefore, US ring cancels are truly not that interesting to most serious fancy cancel collectors. Even in specialized works by city, one normally just gets a list of numbers used and no illustration.

thank you very much for your answer that explains everything I wanted to know.
I have seen really many US classic stamps now but not one with a 4-ring (or other numeral ring) cancel, so I actually thought it might be from Canada where I know them. So it seems this kind of cancel is quite scarce in US stamps while not rare.

I don't know much about US stamps but I looked these up in an Online catalog and it says these stamps were released in 1870.

The 1c Franklin with the 4 ring 2 does not look Canadian. I believe the font is not the same as the Canadian hammer. The 3c Washington does have the look of the Canadian strike to me.

Even though these 4 ring hammers were generally used 1857-1869 as previously mentioned, there were towns that used them into the 1870's.

Another interesting note is that the 4 ring 8 is from Chatham which is a town pretty close to Michigan state.

There are buyers who would buy the 3c Washington from you, including me.

Here's a 4 ring cancel on a Small Queen stamp from the early 1870's.

The posts of paperhistory and hy-brasil cover the answer very well:






Here is a representative sample from Philadelphia cropped from covers currently found on ebay. Although 4-ring killers (and 3-ring, etc.)were used in a very small number of US cities, use in a large city like Philadelphia means they are readily available with a little looking. The U.S. did not have a numerical killer ID system for its post offices.







Louisville, Kentucky used a 3-ring killer:

Here are a couple of US used in Canada:

Lovely Pages Chip !

Sorry about my previous post. I learned something though! Thanks.

Here's a Canada stamp used in USA.