Canadian Stamp Forgeries & Reproductions

May I suggest The Greene Foundation and Pugh Expertization for those who have questions whether or not what you have in a stamp is genuine or a forgery...I have many forgeries and one I have had trouble with has made me have many conversations with Ken Pugh, who is still investigating it as we speak.

I know a lot of collectors have no interest in forgeries, and some have made it a interesting collector item.

Below are a couple of links they may help with forgeries...
http://www.bnaps.org/study.php



THE PUGH EXPERTIZATION SERVICE
https://kenphughphilately.wordpress...pertization/

Newfoundland forgeries
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...ewfoundland/

British Columbia and Vancouver Island
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...uver-island/

Prince Edward Island
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...ward-island/

New Brunswick
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...w-brunswick/

Nova Scotia
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...nova-scotia/

Enjoy
Robert

Very useful! Thanks

What about counterfeits?
Don

The word counterfeits is in there without saying it...All are still illegal reproduction of Canadian and Provincial stamps.

There is a market out there for fakes and forgeries which can demand a good monetary value..JUST FUN TO COLLECT.

Robert
https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca...-7040-e.html

Counterfeit specifically means something other than a forgery. A forgery is a stamp that has been made or altered to fool collectors. A counterfeit is a stamp which was made or altered to fool the postal service. Counterfeits are by definition contemporaneous while forgeries often are made years after the original stamp was issued.

In my opinion counterfeits are more highly sought after than forgeries; some catalogs list counterfeits.
Don

After saying all that, all I wanted is to bring to the attention of new and slightly new collectors out there to be aware of non Post Canada stamps...

Be careful with sellers on ebay etc.
But there is great collectable interest..Enjoy

Robert

Pictures are always nice, so for your visual enjoyment, please find below Unitrade/Scott # 1194B. The 39-cent Parliament Building Coil, issued Feb 8, 1990. These have a perforation of 10 Vert. The one on the right, is an original. The one on the left, was privately issued imperforate for the purpose of defrauding Canada Post. These counterfeit stamps saw quite wide distribution among corner variety stores in larger urban centres in Ontario.



And a close up. Not too difficult for a stamp collector to pick out, but the general public was easily duped.

Brad905

Definitely counterfeit...Probably done on a computer print out..Size of frame is off about 2-3%....Poor quality on this counterfeit as shown below..




Also slight colour differences to...

We want to promote the correct nomenclature in the community, Brad905 correctly calls this a counterfeit. Keep in mind the intent of a counterfeit is to make money by passing the stamps off for postal use. There are many examples of counterfeit modern stamps being sold on ebay that are very, very difficult to tell from legitimate stamps. These are not printed in someone's basement on a computer and laser printer, these are commercially printed (in large qualities ) perforated and gummed just like legitimate stamps. For US stamps, there is a separate section in the back of the catalog which lists counterfeits. Some are quite collectable, especially on cover.

Robert, the stamp in your other thread "Scott 11 (P.e.i.) - Possible Engraved And Typographed Versions" may be a counterfeit, which is why I brought up the subject here. I doubt anyone would go to the trouble of forging a cheap stamp but they may go to the trouble of making a counterfeit if they thought they could sell sheets of them for postal use. If you P.E.I. is counterfeit, then it might be worth more than a forgery. I was asking in this thread if a Canadian catalog or other resource listed the known counterfeits.

Thank you Brad for posting your counterfeit.
Don

Robert,
Your correction is better but still not as descriptive as the term 'counterfeit'. Is there a reason you do not want to use the word counterfeit?
Don

Don..read my quote above..Forgery encapsulates 2 types...Counterfeit and bogus..Enough verbalization, just bringing this portion of stamp collecting to new collectors, to be careful what they buy..Trying to help them..That's all.

Robert

I just checked four different sources, two dictionaries and two philatelic sources. They all use forgery and counterfeit as synonyms.

There is a distinction made between postal forgeries, and forgeries to fool collectors, but they are both called forgeries.

Jan

Agreed, and the distinction is important for many readers of this forum, particularly for folks who may not have a lot of experience.

For example, here is the section from the Scott catalog regarding counterfeits, note they avoid any use of the term 'forgery'. Also note they mention the Postal Inspection Service and the US Secret Service.


As far as I know, legal enforcement entities such as the Postal Inspection Service and the US Secret Service do not concern themselves with forgeries that were made to fool stamp collectors like Fournier or Sperati manufactured. They are focused on counterfeits where US laws still makes even their possession (even as a hobbyist) illegal.

Using specificity greatly helps our diverse audience. There are collectors of forgeries and there are collectors of counterfeits, the distinction is important. Therefore it is helpful to be specific with the terminology.
Don

LINNS STAMP NEWS meaning of the word fake.

This is the meaning of a stamp FAKE in the English dictionary...I use the word fake and then subtitle is as I go..But the word fake is used as a standard terminology for all non original postal printed stamps.

Sub titles of fake are..
Bogus
counterfeit
altered
reperfed
cut, as in trying to make a proof.
etc, etc.

Robert

What are you arguing Robert, that it is good to be non-specific and vague in this community? What is the problem in being specific to avoid confusion and assist others in better understanding?
Don

Don

You did not like it when I said a stamp was fake..It is the starting point to where more detailed analysis is required..E.G. is it bogas altered, a counterfeit, etc.

Thats all buddy...

Have a good day guys and you my friend Don.

I will not post anymore about this just in case it upsets people, not my intention.

Robert