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Posted 10/27/2019   4:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jamesw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey gang. Need your help with something. A collector friend has sent me an image of a cover he's just bought, but the name and address of the recipient has been obliterated with marker. He's asked me to see if I can extract a name from this mess. I don't have his permission to show you the entire cover (though he may not care) so I'm just sending you an image of the addressee.
I've played a bit in Photoshop but can't seem to get to far. I see an upper case W early in the name and a 'ca,' at the end.
I know some of you have some wonderful software that allows you to see hidden info in postmarks etc. Wondering if you could do me a solid and run this through, and see if you get more than I did.



My friend is trying to research the postal history of this cover and hopes the name of the recipient would be useful. Really appreciate your help!
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Posted 10/27/2019   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Double strike out, I do not think that it can be done from the front side.

There is a chance that the typewriter impact was great enough that he might be able to read the raised letter from the opposite side.
Don
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Posted 10/27/2019   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

W. Pascoe ?
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Posted 10/27/2019   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Didn't someone in this group have some type of software that could "see" through cancels and the like? I think we questioned those efforts, but that software may be worth a try also. (Whatever it is ... can't remember.)
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Posted 10/27/2019   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Light pencil on back side, just have to read backwards.
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Posted 10/27/2019   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Didn't someone in this group have some type of software that could "see" through cancels and the like? I think we questioned those efforts, but that software may be worth a try also. (Whatever it is ... can't remember.)


http://www.battleship-revenues.com/extract.xhtml

Jim
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Canada
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Posted 10/27/2019   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
that was my thought Partime, I remembered someone having that software.
JamesD, thanks, but that also produced nothing. Sadly the colour of the offending ink is the same as the typewriter.
Thanks for all you help. I'll suggest the light pencil on the reverse side to my friend.
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Posted 10/27/2019   6:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just had another thought. The Toronto Public Library has directories available digitally online. I looked up the 1920 directory for Toronto, finding New Toronto starting on page 101. If we can assume from the images that the last name does start with P, I think the name may be Price. And now that I look at the image of the address again that 51Studebaker provided, I'm pretty sure I can see an i.
The listing page for New Toronto with Price shows 4 listed, but two we can eliminate because they do not have the initial W., which is very clear. The positioning of the W after Mr. makes me think it is a middle initial. My suggestion is that it is either John Price a rubber worker, or Joseph Price a fireman.
I've sent this to my friend along with the link, and we'll see if it helps

I've also sent along your pencil suggestion. I'd say he's got something to work with now. Thanks again everybody!

Here's the directory if anyone else wants to peruse.

https://archive.org/details/toronto...920/page/102

That's weird. I don't know why I was fixated on 1920 when the cover is dated 1936! Duh. No matter, he's messaged his thanks for your help and will use directories in his search.
I swear I don't know how my mind works sometimes...
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Posted 10/27/2019   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jamesw, since you or your friend has the actual cover you may see more if you shine a light from behind.
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Posted 10/27/2019   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So this is a 1920 cover and you haven't said that? Why? Is this just playing around where you know the answer already and are feeding out bits at a time to make it appear you are a great detective? Or is there perhaps a hint of something valuable in correspondence and you're going over to the house to loot it? Not playing your game, whatever it is.
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Posted 10/27/2019   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dang, hy-brasil, you got me. I need to find the address so I can get in my way-back machine, go back to 1920 (or 1936 as I've corrected myself) and do a smash and grab. And now you folks are ALL co-conspirators!
Ooooorrr, the other possibility is I was trying to help a friend and thought the great minds of this forum could be of service. Hmm, wonder which it could be.
We may never know..
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Posted 10/27/2019   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi James, I believe that you may want to review that again. To me it looks like the last letter of that name looks more like an o rather than an e. Is it P or F??ico. As for address it sort of looks like ?20 East or West Ba??????

For the skeptical, just let us know if you get it in the end, even though the rest of us will never know the true address.

Mike
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Posted 10/27/2019   9:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to say Mike
In Studebaker's image, could be an F, could be a P. Think the last letter still might be an e, though sometimes looks like an o.
In the image I ran through Mr Drummond's software, it definitely looks like a P. And sometimes the last letter (to me) could be an a.
I've sent all these thoughts and ideas to my friend, and will let him sort it out.
Half the fun is in the research. Might as well let him have SOME of it.
Thanks again everyone.
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