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Posted 12/15/2019   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For me, the issue with modern hinges is not that a more experienced hobbyists or someone with a lot of practice can manage to use them correctly, it is the fact that many people do not/have not figured out how to use them and are ruining countless stamps and albums. How many thinned stamp have we all handled due to modern hinges that were too aggressive? Ever tell a less experienced hobbyist that they will need to rip apart their album pages, soak all the stamps off the pages, and remount an entire album of stamps because of the way they licked the hinges? Ever tell a less experienced hobbyist that their collection was valued low because of the way they licked the hinges? Does this situation help retain hobbyists and grow our hobby?

And when you buy an album or collection, how do you know if the previous owner had the right touch needed to lick a hinge 'just right'?

And if we lower the bar on hinges, then we can lower the bar on all hobby supplies? "Well, this stock book is fine as long as you rotate all the stamps very few months but if you don't all the stamps will be ruined", or "This watermark fluid is fine as long as you soak the stamp afterwards for 5 minute in clear water, if you don't the stamp dissolve".

Having a single point of manufacture is also a fail on many levels. The lack of competition can cause all kinds of potential issues from the quality of the product to the price of product. There is currently no incentive to improve the peel-ability of modern hinges. They sell everything they make now, only a fool would invest money on R&D or improving a product they already they have a monopoly on.

In my opinion all of this is not good for the hobby. We can put lipstick on this pig by thinking that everyone will figure out how exactly to use a modern hinge but this is where having a real philatelic press would help a lot. Where are the articles outlining the current hinge situation? Where is the education or large red package warnings that using them incorrectly will ruin your stamps and albums?
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Posted 12/15/2019   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldmanriver to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am definitely not a fan of the new hinges. Bought a pack of a brand that starts with the letter "S". Opened the package and they were all clumped together. Had to go through the entire package and break them up. A lot of them were for lack of a better description, bent a couple times not counting the actual hinged fold. I agree with not lowering the bar in general on anything, whether it's stamp collecting related or whatever. In my opinion, for what it's worth, the old "Fold-O" were the best, hands down. You'd think with the modern technology, it would be pretty easy to, I guess, reverse engineer the old "Fold-O's" and start manufacturing them again. They would probably sell faster than you could make them. I did have about a half of pack of the old "Fold-O's" left from about 30 years ago. They were a fresh as they were new. By the way, been collecting for 40+ years. Tried everything with these new hinges, bare minimum amount of moisture, the whole nine yards. Not impressed at all.
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Posted 12/15/2019   7:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All very true, but there's very little anyone can do about getting less experienced collectors to hinge stamps properly. It's pretty unlikely that articles about "proper stamp hinging" are even going to be seen by inexperienced collectors. If there were good websites for new stamp collectors, that's the place for such articles -- if they're short, simple, amusing, and have lots of pictures.

I think most packets of stamp hinges already included instructions about how to use the hinges. MIne do. They specifically say to "moisten" the hinge lightly only on about one-third of the hinge, and so on. Isn't that the "warning" you'd want on hinge packets? They're already there.

I still mount MNH stamps with hinges ("Dear God, he's ruining that stamp forever!"). But I only do so with common modern stamps of which there are hundreds of thousands issued.
There are more than enough flawless no-hinge-marks-on-the-back copies left for those who collect stamps backwards.

I hinge used stamps all the time. They already have hinge marks on them most of the time. There is a clear use for stamp hinges -- even in the Age of Stamp Mounts. I have no problem with hinge marks even on the "mint" (really "unused") stamps I buy. I do with thins and other damage caused by hinges. Removing stamps from old albums, I've managed to "thin" a few stamps, myself. "Oops!" Yes, it's a very bad thing, but on the scale of important things it's pretty minor 99% of the time. Remember there was a time when people glued stamps into their album. And a later time when many of us (me included) scotch taped our stamps into our albums. So it could be worse.

When I come across a particularly aggressive hinging problem in some album I'm denuding of stamps, I just soak the page in warm water. It nearly always works. When I encounter stamps with bad hinges still on the backs, I generally attempt to remove them, but if I can't I leave them in place. No major harm done. When I encounter stamps with thins, they go into my "usable but basically junk" envelopes to be given away to some random kid someday whenever I find an actual living stamp collector under the age of about 50. Yes, there are far too many stamps with thins on them due to bad hinging practices -- or bad hinges. Or both.

The sheer volume of modern stamps issued by the 100s of thousands sort of encourages wastefulness through sloppy hinging. With less common stamps, I'd imagine people would be more delicate and thoughtful with mounting their stamps. But even if they weren't, how could you "babysit" them to lessen the damage they do?

My own pet peeve is a bit different: I think stamp mounts are overused today. How many common stamps deserve to be put into stamp mounts before we all go bankrupt from spending more on mounts than stamps? Or before our album pages become too heavy to turn? An album covered in stamp mounts on both sides of the page is not easy to browse unless the page is made of heavy card stock, and they usually aren't. I see page after page of common stamps, including used stamps, in mounts. Why put most used stamps into mounts? Early stamps, yes. Rare stamps, definitely. But modern used stamps in mounts? What's the point? The mount is there so you don't hinge the back of the stamp (for whatever reason) as much as to 'protect' the stamp from whatever might harm it (as if the album didn't already do that). I could do with fewer mounts and more hinges. It would save collectors money and lighten up their album pages, Plus I like the look of bare stamps not in shiny plastic mounts.

Yes, slobber on your stamp hinges less, people!

As for bringing back the older hinges with the less-aggressive glue on them like Dennison and Fold-O, that's not going to happen. There's no financial incentive to do that, and everything happens for profit. Unless the APS or someone with a lot of money to spend wants to finance production of better hinges with no expectation of making a profit form them. But that's not happening, I'd guess.
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Posted 12/15/2019   7:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Where are the articles outlining the current hinge situation? Where is the education or large red package warnings that using them incorrectly will ruin your stamps and albums?


That's a nice take on it, Don, Very well tackled, I agree heartily.
Any one here, whom has broken down a page with Dennison or the like, knows what a pleasure it is to work with.
Then you meet the occasional Childrens Album, you try and lift one, and you start to think "Is this worth it?"

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Thank you all for your responses. And for Rod222. You have every right to your opinion. Sneer? Why? I'd like to hear your new favorite.
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Posted 12/16/2019   01:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Davo only available in Australia it seems Bexley Stamps $11 landed.

This looks like 20 Dennison hinges for $8
Package not included.


Only available hinges Australia ebay
(Per 1000 inc postage)
Prinz $4.95
Stanley Gibbons $6.50
Fasto $10.95

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Posted 12/16/2019   01:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is what comes up for a search on European and U.S. glassine manufacturers.

http://paperindex.com/companies/pap...paper/4861/6

http://thomasnet.com/products/glass...61402-1.html

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Posted 12/16/2019   01:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Davo hinges from Potomac Supplies. Note the description "Manufactured by DAVO."

http://mdstamp.com/index.php?main_p...cts_id=24468

Time to contact DAVO!
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Posted 12/16/2019   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have contacted DAVO. Deventer, Netherlands.
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Posted 12/16/2019   02:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bob,
$4 US = $8 Oz approx, makes Bexley stamps at $11 Oz comparable.
Now it's just how good are Davo?

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Posted 12/16/2019   06:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are quite a few vidoes on youtube detailing how to use hinges using varying techniques. The challenge is not creating a video but how to get people see it.

Hinging is one of those practices where the economy forces people to make compromises.






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Posted 12/16/2019   07:10 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A glance at the web indicates that Davo hinges are around £3 per packet, plus postage, with no larger multiples available, cf £20 post free for 10,000 Prinz hinges (and I've bought the latter for less in the past). There'd therefore need to be an appreciable gap in quality for me to go for Davo. May be different if you're in the Netherlands.
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Posted 12/16/2019   11:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vacuum man to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey for what it is worth for the past few years I have been playing with making my own hinges. The batches I have made for myself have worked fairly well. My problem making them has been trying to figure a way to make them consistent each time. I cant say if they are Dennison quality but for mounting low level stamps they have been adequate. I have been pondering if I should be working toward commercializing what I have learned but there is a lot of things to work out still if I go that direction. But for right now for my use it has been an interesting endeavor.
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I'm currently working on filling a Scott International Part 1 "Big Blue" album and, as the double-sided pages are too flimsy for mounts, am only acquiring used and MH stamps for it, with used copies being preferable. Because of the poor ability to peal of modern hinges, I'm only using vintage Dennison hinges that I get on ebay, although I plan on getting some Fold-O-Hinges and trying those as well.

For more modern stamps, I use Prinz but my luck with them hasn't been consistent. I don't mind too bad, though, because I only use them on used stamps and those can be soaked. All of my mint stamps, hinged or otherwise, go into mounts as the paper in my other albums is much heavier than that in the Big Blue. I was unaware that Davo made hinges until I read this thread and I got online this morning and ordered some to give them a try. Even though they are a little more expensive than the Prinz hinges, it will be a small price to pay if they peal easier.
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I just received a reply from Ihobb a stamp accessory supply house. My question was about Prinz vs Supersafe hinges. The ad stated that Prinz hinges do not curl (ha ha) and that Supersafe are very thin glassine. He stated that there was no differences in the brands whatsoever but that he has customers willing to do battle over Prinz vs Supersafe.
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