Scott 482A Has Anyone Else Seen This?

Ken, can we get a link? I don't know where to get to this listing or question or whatever it is?

Based on the scans, the buttons do not appear to be recut and the shades are wrong for Scott 482A/500

The first image looks like an offset printing. Sending for certs seems premature.

Right Shade, Recut button - made from Scott 500

Ok, if I look at the faked from 500, I wonder what can tell me that it's fake, when it's not about the margins probably? Is it so hard to fake the Schermack perforation that this can be the hint for the fake? (the 500 also comes with the correct color sometimes)

Winston it came as an Email so I forwarded it to you. Let me know if it doesn't arrive.

PS It's 85 here today!!

For those interested in the listing go to SAN Private Treaty offers. I did not post the listing because the sellers email and telephone are shown and I thought that Don would frown upon that.

To give a bit an answer to my own question above: From what I found and read now I think the Schermack perforation needs to be exact (size) enough compared to a genuine one, and the cut edges need to be parallel, and both need to look the same as genuine Schermack stamps under highest magnification. But all this seems to be a subject to discussion between expertizers :). As I wrote above, it does not seem impossible to fake Schermack cuts, also if you look at the price of a 482A vs. 500.

All known Scott 482A come in coil form. They were stripped into coils and perforated with the Schermack private affixing machine perforations. The fake that I posted has a large top which would not have occurred if stripped into coil form. Steve Belasco a noted private perforation expert saw this stamp and agreed that the perforations were not genuine. The scan below will show another Scott 500 with an imperforate top margin.

Thank you. Of course someone who wants to create fake will not see a difference between cutting much or less paper away. And while I wrote above that it's probably also about straight and parallel edges, this does not seem to be a necessary thing, if I look at this genuine stamp sold by Siegel:
https://siegelauctions.com/2008/963/1015.jpg

If also the margin sizes is not the indicator for being a genuine stamp, we are left to the Schermack size and the look of the cuts under magnification. Both would mean that it is impossible to build a knife - today - which would be able to cut those cuts.

In my opinion perforations were never designed for security reasons; a person with access to a good machine shop and machining skills can replicate any type perforation. Even pin or knife 'wear' can be emulated in a properly machined device if desired. Luckily many of the previous attempts to make these devices have not been done by skilled machinists.
Don

I imagine that 3D scanning and printing could come into play in creating tools.