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Hairlines On Two Cent Admiral Question

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Posted 01/05/2020   2:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I see there're numerous stamps listed with the word hairlines or with hairlines but there's no pictures so I can only guess what to look for.
Are the fine lines running across this stamp what they are referring too?
I'm thinking this might be a 106-ix deep rose red hairlines?

Cheers, Bill



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Posted 01/05/2020   3:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, those are Hairlines. They are usually a little ragged ... ie, not perfectly straight. Good find.
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Posted 01/05/2020   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add waddsbadds to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If they form a triangle they're known as Delta Hairlines. If they're joined together they're called United Hairlines.
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Posted 01/05/2020   4:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would call these 'doctor blade" lines,


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Posted 01/05/2020   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Appreciate the replies and my thanks to all.
So I assume this is not a 106-IX?
Would the Doctor blade lines make it any more collectable then one without?

Cheers, Bill
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Posted 01/05/2020   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hounddog Bill..Hairlines

Usually caused by bending of aluminum...Usually along horiz. lines due to metal fatigue.

Robert

Here is an example of a doctor (ductor) blade.

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Posted 01/05/2020   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Yes, those are Hairlines. They are usually a little ragged ... ie, not perfectly straight. Good find.


Interesting, are they discussed anywhere in Catalogue please?
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Posted 01/05/2020   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222
See hairline explanation on Ralph's re-entries.com site.
https://www.re-entries.com/terms.html#hl

Like I said, just metal fatigue..Not a constant variety.
Robert
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Posted 01/05/2020   8:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.

Personally I find "Hairlines" on Bill's example questionable.
I can see hairlines as cracked / stressed aluminium (or whatever metal)
but Bill's appear to be accurate straight horizontal lines, not stress fractures.

The appearnce remains questionable to me, I'll leave that open.




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Edited by rod222 - 01/05/2020 8:25 pm
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Posted 01/05/2020   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Bill's appear to be accurate straight horizontal lines, not stress fractures.


There are stress fractures...Common on some stamps.

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Posted 01/05/2020   8:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, I fully agree with you. The lines on the OP's stamp look straight to me, without the ragged look of cracks

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Posted 01/05/2020   9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Peter,
in all my years working with metal, I have yet to see a stress fracture in horizontal, parallel lines.
(My main observance would be the crakshaft bearings on internal combustion engines, that would often show stress)

I don't want this to be a slanging match, just respectfully disagree.
albeit, not sure where else to get an opinion.........

If the printing process included a ductor blade working horizontally, or, the stamps sheets proven to be printed sideways, I would tend to think these were ductor blade "chatter" lines.

Good philatelic research, should include a wide and varied opinion before a query is established beyond doubt, conducted in a respectful manner.

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Edited by rod222 - 01/05/2020 9:25 pm
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Hi rod222

I was a printer for 5 years in my youth..
I have burned many plates and had to make sure the plate was firmly against the drum.

Those marks on the original post are hairline cracks..which always happen 99.9% of the time horizontally.
left a couple of links for you to read up on.

Robert

The Offset pressman
http://offsetpressman.blogspot.com/...rinting.html

Kodak Reducing Plate Cracking
https://www.kodak.com/uploadedFiles...0Presses.pdf

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Posted 01/06/2020   03:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Robert,
I am finally convinced you are correct,
I find it extraordinary that Bill's example lines are so straight and constant,
(Maybe from Plate 4)
I am also in note Hairlines can appear vertical as well (Booklets)
Thanks for initiating further study by your persistence,
The convincing evidence I found was here.........
http://www.bnaps.org/ore/VanSomeren...arieties.htm
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Posted 01/06/2020   03:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps Houndog Bill can alter the Thread topic to .......
Canada Admiral "Hairlines" or something similar, for future students ?
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