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Posted 01/13/2020   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Al E. Gator to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I think this may be a Scott #20. The east/west margins/perforations seem really tight compared to other 1851 1-cents stamps I have. Does it look re-perf'ed. on the left? Right? Measures about 20mm East/West compared to about 21 to 21-1/2 for a couple of #22's. If its a easy one to plate (looks like a top row) and anyone wants to plate it, it won't hurt my feelings, if you'd rather not, that fine too. I'm not too much in the early classics, even though I've several, I'm more into the Washington-Franklins, but this one has been bugging me for a while.
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Posted 01/13/2020   8:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice
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Posted 01/13/2020   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Its late for me, and my eyes are tired, but my first reaction is that :

the top line,
the top of the top ornaments,
much of the right side ornaments,
the bottom line

are all painted in.

Type V, Scott #24 paint job to look like a Ty II.

I will look again tomorrow when I can see better.
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Posted 01/14/2020   02:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, and reperforated on the right and left to get rid of the large margins that would have given it away immediately.
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Posted 01/14/2020   08:41 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A person might be able to find out what is going on by looking at this item I sold on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/283653546808
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Posted 01/14/2020   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I concur--a faked #24. Look at the middle stamp on the cover in sinclair's link.
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Posted 01/14/2020   10:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good to know. At least I don't have much of anything invested in it. Came in a small stock book from a flea market a few years back. I knew it didn't look kosher, but not really the why.
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Posted 01/14/2020   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, this is 10L10. Interesting on Winston's sold cover, it is not a strip of 3, but rather a pair and a single, with 10L in the middle as dudley correctly stated.

Jack Molesworth got it wrong on the back of the cover

The fake stamp in this thread I think, is a slightly above average job, which might fool some general collectors out there.

I wonder if some subtle indelible ink marking on the back of this stamp would be appropriate here, as a preventive measure?
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Posted 01/14/2020   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In typical show lighting it would probably fool a lot of collectors. Unfortunately finding stamps similar to this is not all that uncommon. I have seen several, as have others here I am sure.
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Posted 01/14/2020   1:50 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know the buyer of my cover fairly well. I think he knew what he was getting.
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Posted 01/14/2020   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Winston, I don't see any issue with your description.

It was just Molesworth's scribble on the back of the cover that said it was a strip of 3. Amusing only, not a big deal.
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Posted 01/14/2020   3:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I appreciate the Molesworth observation. I remember some of his back and forth disagreements with individuals and certification agencies. I was not informed enough at the time to judge anything. Always wondered was he the wiz or the goat or somewhere in between. I remember one detractor commenting "what's a mole worth?
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Posted 01/14/2020   7:37 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I didn't know Jack Molesworth but I for one could have done without his voluminous notes on the backs of his covers. I own a lot of covers that he handled. Notes are especially annoying when they are not even correct.
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Posted 01/14/2020   7:57 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Getting back to the OP's stamp - I think the left side perfs are probably genuine. It may be impossible to find a Plate 10 stamp from the 10L or 1R coulumn with genuine perforations along the interpane margin. While it was common practice earlier in the 1857-61 era, by the time Plate 10 was made, the interpane margins were left imperforate. This fact happens to be a plating aid with the 3c stamp.
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