Another Farley's Follies Question - Specifically 752 And 753

Hi everyone - Getting these Farley's reissues straightened out in my head has been give me trouble. I am hoping someone can clear up this question I had.

My question is regarding the single stamps of 752 (Washington at Newburgh) and 753 (Byrd Antartica). According to 1847usa on stamp smarter, the only way to tell a 752 is actually without a doubt a 752, is if you have a gutter pair. But, 752 was originally issued without gum, so if I have a mint single stamp with no gum, can I assume that it is a 752?

Similarly, according to 1847usa, in order to be certain that you have a 753, you have to have a pair of stamps with either the horizontal or vertical guide line. But, if I have a single mint stamp with no gum, can I assume that it is indeed a 753?

I am almost done with the Farley's, at which point I can move on to the WFs...

Stampsmarter is correct.

727 and 752 share the same identical design. 727 was issued fully gummed while the Farley Follies 752 was issued without gum. Just because your stamp has no gum, you cannot assume it is 752. You could have a 727 which has had the gum soaked off.

The same is true for the Byrd issue. 733 was issued fully gummed while the Farley Follies 753 was issued without gum. Just because your stamp has no gum, you cannot assume it is 753.

You might be interested in viewing my 123 page album on the Farley Follies, which is a free download at http://www.thestampweb.com/albums.html Scroll down to Topical, Thematic and Omnibus issues and select USA Farley's Follies. Download the pdf file. If you have the AlbumEasy software, you can download the text file and alter the pages as you desire.

Ahh makes sense. I guess I will be on the lookout for a gutter pair and a pair with guide lines.

Thank you for clearing thet up!

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I believe the two you are interested in are top row, first page

I happen to have duplicates of these. To OP, if interested send me your address, and I will send them your way. The duplicate 753 is a vertical pair, not horizontal as shown above

I have a similar question and need some guidance. Since I already had the original souvenir sheets, 750 and 751, I recently purchased, at auction, 750a and 751a to fill spots in my album from a reliable dealer, with whom I have dealt in the past. I am not at all faulting the dealer because I knew what I was ordering and received what I ordered. What I received was an imperforate version of a single 750 and 751 with gum, which I felt was clearly the stamps I was looking for. Then I read Stampsmarter's discussion of all the various iterations of the 740, 742, 750, 750a, 751, 751a, 756, 758, 769 and 770and became concerned. Stampsmarter states as follows:
Number 740 is the regularly issued perf 11 flat plate stamp, if the stamp has perforations it must be 740. The Farley reprint of this stamp is Number 756, issued imperforate without gum. Note that 740 and 751 are not Farley reprints.

The Farley special printing of the souvenir sheet, Number 769, was printed by the flat plate method, imperforate and not gummed and was issued as a full sheet of 120 stamps, with 20 panes of 6 stamps separated by 23 mm gutters. The souvenir sheet, Number 751, was sold as a pane of 6 stamps with the inscriptions in the margins as illustrated. The 769 example illustrated below represents two souvenir sheet panes. See the 3¢ Mt. Ranier Souvenir Sheet for an example of the souvenir sheet layout. Anything less than a full pane of 6 is given the suffix "a". Number 751/751a and 769/769a are distinguished by the presence of a 23 mm gutter in the latter. Finally, if the stamp does not include any marginal inscriptions or a large gutter it must be assumed to be the Farley reprint, Number 756. (Similar text appears with respect the 3 cent Mt. Ranier group.

No comment is made about the absence or presence of gum on 750a and/or 751a. Doesn't the presence of gum on imperforate stamps distinguish them from 756 and 758? I have read that, with respect to certain ungummed stamps, they could be returned to the postal service for "gumming". I also understand that stamps stamps are "regummed" and offered for sale as OG. I understand how to distinguish between 750a and 751a, on the one hand and 769a and 770a on the other hand by noting the presence of a 23 mm gutter in the latter. In other words, to properly fill the space in my album, do I have to look for a pair of each stamp with the smaller gutter found on 750 and 751?

Sorry for this lengthy post but, probably, if I had read the Stampsmarter material before I purchased the stamps , that's the route I would have taken.

The Farley issues can be complicated. The Scott catalog is not complete in describing all the ways to slice and dice the various issues and whether they can then be told apart or not. Some can. Some can't. Take for example the imperf pair of 1 cent National Parks above, the absence of any guide line means they could be 756 or trimmed out of the souvenir sheet. Conversely, the guideline on the 3 cent National Parks can only be from the 758 press sheet. Multiples with margins/lines are the best way to go. Gum can also be added privately, so that is not always an absolute identifier, but would be 99% typical for the case you shared. Soak the gum off of the regular Newburgh or Byrd single stamp and it looks like the Farley version. Posting an image of the specific item is the best way to get a focused reply, rather than generalizations like mine, but hope this helps some. I have just been sorting out a large accumulation of used perforated Parks stamps.

Mystic Stamp offers Farley specialty pages (100 pages) for cheap money. Has all the variations.

Jack Kelley

Fellow SCF member Greg Waldecker also has his Farley work in the Library|Exhibit section of Stamp Smarter.
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/al...ks_home.html
Don

Jack:

Actually, Mystic's pages are not complete. I bought Mystic's version of the Special Printings pages, but discovered that they were far from complete, containing spaces for only the position pieces for Scott 752-765 and 771. Even then, they somehow omitted the four gutter and dash blocks for 752 and the centerline block of 771, while ignoring the five souvenir sheets (766 – 770) entirely. I even wrote to them about the omissions.

That's why I made my own 123 page album on the Farley Follies, which is a free download at http://www.thestampweb.com/albums.html Scroll down to Topical, Thematic and Omnibus issues and select USA Farley's Follies. Download the pdf file. If you have the AlbumEasy software, you can download the text file and alter the pages as you desire. my own AlbumEasy pages for the Farley's.

The pages fit nicely on Mystic's 8½ x 11 inch blank pages.

Sets from the original ungummed sheets distributed by Farley also exist but require competent authentication.

See the Scott catalog about the offer to return Farley sheets to be gummed. Sets of Farley issue gummed in this way exist but are scarce.

Several of the Mystic pages imply an ID accuracy/sureness which doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Specifically the first page of the Newburgh and Byrd issues which may be Farleys or originals with the gum removed. The same is true of the Newburgh & Byrd plate block pages. Similarly the first page of the 1 and 3 cent Parks, which could be trimmed from souvenir sheets. In my opinion, Farley pieces need to be PROVABLE as special printings to get legitimate album space.