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George"V" Arch/Leaf Issue?

 
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Posted 05/11/2020   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The info in the latest specialized cat. on George "V" Arch/ Leaf issue covers the die information in the printing of the Scott #163, #164, #165 and #166 only.
They don't mention which Die was used for Scott #162 or #167 through to #172.
Why is this info not listed and what die or die's were used?

Cheers, Bill
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Posted 05/12/2020   12:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If there is only one Die then it is usually Die I.

Note that for 1 cent deep green # 163 it has for Die II plates 5,6,7,8 and for # 163b it has Die I plates 1,2 while for 1 cent orange # 162 it has plates 1,2 so that in this case the same plates with Die I were used for both 1 cent stamps.

For the 2 cents:

# 164 2 cents dull green Die I plates 1,2,3,4,5,6
# 165 2 cents deep red Die I plates 3,4,5,6
# 166b 2 cents dark brown Die I plates 5,6

# 165a 2 cents deep red Die II plates 7,8
# 166 2 cents dark brown Die II plates 7,8,9,10
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Edited by jogil - 05/12/2020 01:05 am
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Posted 05/12/2020   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jogil thank you, I went through my 1 and 2 cent stamps and thought I had it sorted out but not with as much detail on all the plate usage.
It's when I moved on to the 3 cent stamp which I had concluded would be die I, they just don't look like a die I at all, actually much more like a Die II.
Below are three photos two 2 cent brown 166b Die I, 166 Die II and a 167 3 cent that the book never says which die it's from.
To my eye the three cent looks much more like Die II.
The 166b Die I has bald spots throughout the hair and beard, there's a small smiley in the ball and a small centre in the "P".
The 166 Die II has the bald spots filled in, there's a larger smiley and the centre in the "P" is larger.
If you look at the 3 cent which one does it look like?
I became even more confused when I moved on to the 4 cent.

Cheers, Bill

166b- Die I

166 - DieII

167- Die ?
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Posted 05/12/2020   11:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bill

Your 167 looks DIE II

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Posted 05/12/2020   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How many lines above the "P" on the right side? There are 3 thick colour lines and 1 thin colour line in Die I and 4 thick colour lines in Die II.

Unlike # 162-167, 169 which are rotary press printed stamps, # 168, 169a, 170, 171, 172 are flat plate printed stamps.

Thus, the different Dies mostly apply to the Stickney rotary press stamps.
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Edited by jogil - 05/12/2020 9:32 pm
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BABN rotary press stamps were perforated 11.25 x 11
BABN flatbed press stamps were perforated 11 x 11
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