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Posted 03/12/2022   4:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rinsy, thank you for indulging me. Without doing Classic Coins squish test I'm looking at two positions on the right pane of 5E, 22R5E & 44R5E. Worth a look.
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Posted 03/12/2022   5:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Harper1249 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd also look closer at the one just to the right of your 87R5E guess.
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Posted 03/12/2022   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Moyock13 and Harper, but I had looked at all three of those positions. Perhaps the suggested over-inking on this stamp might be disguising it a bit.
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Posted 03/17/2022   4:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Plating hobbyists are welcome to become contributors, it is as easy to add plating information to a Stamp Smarter project as it to make a post here.

There have been a number of stamps I've posted here where the plating has come out quite definitively. I'd be happy to add to the SM database if you can shoot me the instructions. I won't add anything that came across as "probably" or "best so far" or any with equivocation. But I know there are some with zero images in the database that have been identified here. Here's a new one, that came to me plated and appears to be 100% correct. There is no image in the database for this position:

62R1E



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Posted 03/17/2022   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rinsy, that nice! Thanks for sharing!
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Posted 03/24/2022   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Hi Harper --

Great catch!

You are correct -- the stamp currently slotted as 27L1L in the StampSmarter database is wrong -- it is actually 27R1L -- with 3 lines recut in the ULT.

This is more of a "mechanical error" versus a true error of plating -- and easy enough to make by even the most experienced platers -- but either way -- it is wrong -- and needs to get fixed.

One thing that my mentor taught me about plating is to always have a pencil handy to immediately note the plate position once figured.

I do not have the capability to re-slot the image into the correct place -- so if Don D. is reading this post, perhaps he could make the correction.

Regards // ioagoa


Fixed

I am making a few careful additions to the database. If there are others you'd like to see made feel free to DM me.
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Posted 03/27/2022   08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A few pages ago I post about "A Metropolitan Errand and Carrier Express Co Sc #107L1 and a 3c #11". I've plated the #11 to 38L3, but interestingly there is a scratch or errant frame line on the lower right corner of the stamp. It is outside the frame line, almost looks like the lower left frame line of 39L3 as it does have a doubled left frame line.
Probably just answered my own question.

38L3

38L3 scratch or errant frame line?
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Posted 03/27/2022   09:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Busy this morning. Plated this pair 4L4 and 5L4. Interestingly, 5L4 has a few things going on, lower left frame line is doubled, and there is a plate flaw starting at the upper left rosette running diagonally to Washington's forehead. Chase calls this out under Plate Varieties in General.

4L5 & 5L5

5L4

5L4 Doubled FL

5L4 Plate Flaw (spot of color in the white oval between the rosette and forehead)
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Posted 03/27/2022   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Moyock --

That 5L4 you posted earlier today is a nice example of the plate variety (i.e., flaw) as noted in the Chase book -- thanks for showing it.

On your 38L3 -- I agree that the line of ink you mentioned at the lower right corner is, in fact, not a "plate scratch or an errant line" -- but rather -- as you posited -- it is the lower end of the extra LFL on the adjoining 39L3.

Regards // ioagoa

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Posted 03/27/2022   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been doing some good work on the Stamp Smarter plating database. Moyock, I've added your 38L3 to the database. If you prefer to not have it there, just say so and I will remove. I'm only adding images that 1) have been plated with a high degree of certainty and 2) look like they would add value in the database.
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Posted 03/27/2022   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa, good to hear from you. Hope all is well.

rinsy, post away Brother! I may have more you could post. I've no problem with stamps I post being posted to Stamp Smarter.
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Posted 03/29/2022   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have been struggling to properly plate this 3c Washington. Used December 11, 1851, RICHMOND, VA (it is on cover with a dated letter) Obviously 2 lines recut in the UL triangle, 2 inner lines, B-relief, I assumed plate 2E or 5E based on the strength of the inner lines - but the LR triangle appears to have a guide dot inside. I don't believe any such position exists (Other than 69L5E/L) and this doesn't match that (Only 1 line recut in UL triangle)

The closest I have come is 88L2E, but I am still uncomfortable with that plating. I don't visit here often, and this thread appears to be years old, so I don't even know if anyone still follows it - but I thought that I would ask.

Opinions?

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Posted 03/29/2022   2:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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...I don't visit here often, and this thread appears to be years old, so I don't even know if anyone still follows it - but I thought that I would ask.


Welcome. Please note that this thread, while started two years ago, is quite active; it has had over 100 posts in the last two months. I'm sure one (or more) of the plating folks will respond to your inquiry.
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Posted 03/29/2022   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By way of introduction: I collect plated (firstly) 3c 1851 Washingtons & (secondly), 1c Franklins - mostly imperfs, but some 3c perforated examples.
I have fully reconstructed plates of Plate 2 Late of the 1c Franklin (with a few errors, I am sure)
I have almost completed plates of #11/A's, missing only a few positions, but I have a want list of about 30-40 that I would like as singles.
I have maybe 50% of the #10/A's plate positions. Plate 0, Left pane is complete.
I believe that I have 3 complete dated cancel calendars of #11/A's almost finished the 4th and 5th.
I collect #10/A's on cover, dated and in chronological order from July 2, 1851 to December 31, 1851 - I am missing 11 dates.
I enjoy the various color and paper varieties. I have 2 pinkish, 4+ Plums, several Chicago perf examples, an OB #26 on cover, an OB #11/A, at least one nice silk paper variety, etc.
I like locals and railroads - especially when paired with 3c Washingtons.
I believe that I know the Winston that is here, and I engage with Charles DiComo fairly often on this topic.

I run a Facebook group dedicated to plating the 1c, another dedicated to plating the 3c, and a page (1,300 people) dedicated to selling US stamps to North Americans without the usual fees. On Facebook, I go by Caleb Stark.

I share 3c Washington images on facebook almost daily.
I rarely sell or trade.
I often buy.
If you are an active buyer of the 3c stamp, surely we have bid against each other.

I have a list of needed positions of the #11/A, a list of needed #10/A dated covers, and a list of the next dates on singles for my calendar work.
If there is a good place to share such lists, I would be delighted to see if anyone can assist in filling those lists.

I was not mentored in plating, But I have Chase's and Neinken's books. I have an Amonette Color guide and an Ott light.
My eyes are not as good as they used to be, so 1200 DPI scans are my go to. Colors are still a struggle for me.

I am Stan Shepp
I was raised in York, PA, but I now live in the deserts of the Northern Arizona strip - above the Grand Canyon.
There are no clubs near here. The closest collectors group that I am aware of are in Las Vegas.

St. George, UT is the closest city to me.

I have many scans, but they are generally in PNG format and are about 5MB each. I can share, but to open and save as a JPG at 300kb max is a pain.

I am working on a webpage to be able to share hi-res images of my collection for the benefit of other collectors.

I am not very good at plating, but I expect that time will improve that.
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Posted 03/29/2022   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Harper1249 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome Stan! As Don said, this is a very active thread and the 3c Imperf tends to dominate the discussion. Sounds like you have a wonderful collection and I/we would love to see more. I'm just getting started plating the 3c myself and need so many its not worth a list yet. Again, welcome and I think you are correct on the 88L2E but I'll let the others confirm.

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