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Posted 09/23/2023   2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PIcked this up the other day, mostly because of the pre-printing crease. But plating this bugger is a bit perplexing. I'm thinking that because of the pre-printing crease some of the right side is distorted. It looks like the lower right diamond block is connected to the lower right triangle, recut #40. I also think it's an "A" relief. But it doesn't match any of the Chase images. Could someone assist? Thanks.



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Posted 09/23/2023   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is on a cover dated July 11, 1851 - which narrows it down to Plate 1E.
It has a large top margin, which narrows it doen to the Top Row.

I believe it to be a B-Relief and think that it is 2L1E.
Another person commented that they believed it to be 8R1E - which is a C relief.

Thoughts?

Thanks in Advance.

Stan Shepp

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Posted 09/23/2023   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I thought that I should share tghis beauty that I located on an unsealed prices current from Baltimore, Md. dated Saturday Morning, December 6, 1856.

The cover is slightly soiled, but the margins on this beuaty are more than adequate - and larger than to be expected on a random cover.

Plated by Jaxom - 92L2 - Scott #7.

Full disclosure - I wetted that lower left corner and straightened out that little crease.

Stan Shepp


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Posted 09/23/2023   11:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Moyock --

Your stamp with the black DEC 27 cds cancel and the pre-printing paper fold is position 36R2L.

With that very wide margin at left -- my first inclination was that your stamp was from the 1st vertical column on one of the #11A dull red plates -- most likely 2L or 3. But after checking those possibilities without a match -- I focused in on the 6th vertical column on the right pane of plate 2L -- (i.e., where Chase notes that there is very wide spacing between the 5th and 6th vertical columns).

The second A relief I checked was a solid match -- including the GD that protrudes from the BFL of the adjoining 26R2L above (which shows nicely on your stamp).

Nice example of a pre-printing paper fold!

Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 09/24/2023   07:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa, thank you. I got stuck on that wide left margin. Interesting to me that neither Chase or McDaniel didn't pick up on the LRDB and LRT being connected.

Thanks again ioagoa, greatly appreciate it.
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Posted 09/24/2023   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd like to try to plate this. Anyone want to give me a head start? I know how to use the stampsmarter plating database, but could use a pointer on relief type or other suggestion. Thanks.

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Posted 09/24/2023   1:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the tops of the left 2 stamps. B relief. Each is recut at top.

Now look at the space at the bottom.

Now look at the right stamp, and how much is going on with it, including the incomplete B relief at TR.

This one is a good simple but interesting plating exercise.
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Posted 09/24/2023   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are good clues, but so far I haven't found it. The best match to the double transfer on the right stamp I found was 44L1L but the stamps next to it are not it. I tried focusing on bottom rows, but didn't find it. I'm probably just bad at this, but I'll keep going.
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Posted 09/24/2023   2:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right stamp == massive double transfer at top.
Short B relief at top right top like that only occurs on a couple positions.
Bottom row stamps - note margin at bottom.

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Posted 09/24/2023   2:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found it just after I typed that. It's 96-98R1L - whew - 98R1L is not marked as a double transfer in the StampSmarter database - that slowed me down a bit
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Edited by rlsny - 09/24/2023 2:23 pm
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Posted 09/24/2023   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yep that's it.
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Posted 09/24/2023   3:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I get stuck I find that there is no substitute for just looking at every position critically. Plating is often labor intensive for stamps with no notable characteristics.

Outside of 98R , 97R on your strip shows the 11th row effect below the stamp. Due to over rocking of the transfer roll and the fact that it was originally entered with an A relief.
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Posted 09/24/2023   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for your help
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Posted 09/25/2023   10:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When you want to plate a Type IV stamp that is recut at top but not at bottom head for the bottom row right away.
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Posted 09/25/2023   10:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
True, but there are a few I believe in the body of the right pane, if memory serves me that have the recut once at top only attribute. Correct me if I'm remembering that incorrectly.
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