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Posted 06/15/2020   2:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add banknoteguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa said,
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The one stamp that is wrong is the stamp you identified as 45L5E -- which is actually 47L5E.


This an image of the filename as I had digitized it:





Sometimes your fingers just don't type what your eyes see or what your mind is telling them to type! Thanks for noticing that.
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Posted 06/15/2020   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't had a lot of luck plating anything of late. But I can flyspeck and find errors, recuts, dust specks from my scanner....

Here's something interesting, at least for me. It appears that the upper left rosette is impinging on the lower part of the "U" in U.S.

With that in mind, is there any reference to flyspecking the 3 cent imperfs?


Btw, cancel says Elyria OH.
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Posted 06/15/2020   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Banknoteguy -- YEP -- definitely a typo versus an error of plating. I can tell you from experience -- when I am confirming stamps that have been plated by a prior owner -- and I find one that is surely wrong -- the first place I usually go is to the same position on the other half of the pane. I have seen numerous times where even the well known platers of the Chase era will occasionally mark a plate position as "L" that should be "R" -- or will mark a plate position that is a neighboring stamp. Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 06/15/2020   3:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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With that in mind, is there any reference to flyspecking the 3 cent imperfs?


Moyock13, You can download the Carroll Chase book on the 3-cent stamp for free. Search for CL-TP-CHASE-3c-U-S-1851-1857-+-8-pp-Bookmarked

See my post from two pages back at 9:04 pm for a link to download a zip file to get the 1200 DPI Chase Smithsonian plating prints.

Also see stampplating.com which has been mentioned previously in this thread.
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Posted 06/15/2020   3:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Chase book can be downloaded for free from the US Philatelic Classics Society webpage here - https://www.uspcs.org/resource-cent...nic-library/.
If you (or anyone reading this thread) are not yet a member, you should consider joining the USPCS.
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Posted 06/15/2020   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Moyock13 -- regarding your stamp with the Elyria, OH cds cancel -- my initial assessment based on the color, the lack of recut inner lines, and the relative strength of the 4 frame lines -- is that it is from either plate 6 or plate 7. It is a B relief -- and it has a distinctively positioned guide dot (GD) at lower right -- sitting just on top of the bottom frame line directly below the right side of the lower right diamond block. If you wanted to take a crack at plating it -- I would start by hunting through all B reliefs on plates 6 and 7 looking for stamps with a similarly situated GD -- you should be able to quickly eliminate most possibilities this way -- and should end up with a very short list of potential candidates for further evaluation -- and if you get really lucky -- there will only be a single stamp with a matching GD. Other posters have noted a variety of resources available from which you can access confirmed reference scans -- including stampsmarter (which I personally have not used yet -- but plan to check it out in the near future), stampplating.com, and the ability to download 1200 dpi scans of the Chase photos from the National Postal Museum. Once you have a tentative candidate nailed down -- post a follow-up message and I will be happy to take a look for you. Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 06/15/2020   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chase doesn't mention any sort of impingement concerning the rosette's that I can find, nor does the stampplating web site. I was curious if anyone had bumped across the anomaly in the past or could remember an plating positions where it had occurred.
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Posted 06/15/2020   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa, I've come to a conclusion. I think the Elyria is 49L6.
Mostly due to the guide dot positioning, but also the shading of the triangles where the upper left triangle has a unique shading. I had originally settled on 83L6 but the lower right rosette was bumping closer to the frame line than 49L6.

How'd I do?
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Posted 06/15/2020   5:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
49L6 doesn't match. Look at the right frame line from a low angle with a magnifier, like you're looking down the barrel of a rifle. There are some distinct curves in your right frame line.
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Posted 06/15/2020   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add banknoteguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
69L6
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Posted 06/15/2020   6:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not 69L6
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Posted 06/15/2020   6:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ioagoa's comments should be very helpful, especially about the guide dot.
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Posted 06/15/2020   7:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add banknoteguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My tendency is to stop looking too soon. How about 22R6. It has got to be correct.
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Edited by banknoteguy - 06/15/2020 7:36 pm
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Posted 06/15/2020   7:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I concur with Banknoteguy, 22R6 is what I came up with too.
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Posted 06/15/2020   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
22R6 is correct. Well done, both of you.
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