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Posted 09/11/2020   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
widglo46 -- I agree with classic coins -- your #16 is a one in a million gem -- and ex-Sevenoaks to boot. A gorgeous stamp! Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 09/11/2020   1:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
classic coins --

Your 41L1L inscription copy with the "opportunistic senders message" is very unique -- as I do not recall ever seeing anything like it before. As you noted, it would have been interesting to see the entire cover to see what else the sender may have taken liberties with. Thanks for showing it.

Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 09/12/2020   09:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Classic Coins, congrats on your milestone! This one thread has provided more information and learning opportunities than I've found anywhere else related to the 1851-1857 imperfs. Thank you!

Here's a 13R1L and 14R1L pair, a little worse for wear. The 14R1L is a little busy though, Chase says recuts are 1,28,29, McDaniel says 1,23,28,29. I'll let you be the judge.

Recut 23 - Left inner line runs up too far (McDaniel)
Recut 28 - Top label and upper left diamond block joined at top
Recut 29 - Bottom label and lower right diamond block joined at bottom


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Posted 09/12/2020   11:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd go with Chase. I can't see left inner running up to far

Edit: actually upon further review I believe this is a #23 recut.
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Edited by stampcrow - 09/12/2020 11:38 am
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Posted 09/12/2020   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
moyock13 and stampcrow --

Regarding inner lines running up or down too far -- this is an area where Chase and McDaniel had a clear difference of opinion.

For example -- on plate 1 late alone -- there are at least two dozen positions where McDaniel notes the LIL as running up too far, but Chase does not. Obviously, they each had a different definition of what constituted "up or down too far" -- yet neither of them stated exactly what criteria they used for making their determination in this regard.

Anecdotally, based on my plating experience, it appears to me that if an inner line made to a level opposite the center of its respective rosette, Mc Daniel called it "up or down too far". Conversely, Chase's classification is less consistent, but my observation is that the inner line would need to go noticeably farther beyond a level opposite the center of its respective rosette before Chase would call it out as an "up or down too far" variety of recutting.

Regards // ioagoa

Edited to add the following comment regarding why there is no recut variety listed for the RIL running up too far. This is because the upper end of the RIL ran up past a level opposite the center of the upper right rosette on the master die (versus the other inner line end points that all stopped short of their respective rosettes on the master die). By way of reference -- See my post of 9/6/2020 in which I attached a scanned image of a Scott # 41P2a Panama Pacific Small Die Proof which shows the end points of each inner line as they existed on the master die).
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Edited by ioagoa - 09/12/2020 1:42 pm
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Posted 09/12/2020   1:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting pair, Moyock13! I'd say it's a keeper because of the recut varieties.

I agree that 14R1L shows recut #23. Here's the upper-left corner of the 14R1L from the Stamp Smarter plating database. I can see the two dots above the outer rosette dot at 270 degrees connected.

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Posted 09/12/2020   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
LOL! I was typing while you were posting, ioagoa. Well said.
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Posted 09/12/2020   1:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since we are posting 16's:

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Posted 09/12/2020   2:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a beauty, rogdcam! I like the wide margins all around, with part of the adjoining stamp above.
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Posted 09/12/2020   5:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just continue to be amazed at the wonderful postings in this thread. I have something to add with this stamp and might not post except to thank all of he wonderful contributors and especially Classic Coins for his involvement and management here.
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Posted 09/12/2020   11:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting, Chip. I always appreciate your kindness.
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Posted 09/13/2020   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A Brookline Mass oval CDS. Not a great strike but it's paired with a decent stamp, 9L4 with an interesting color.

Close up of stamp is with my camera.
The full cover is done with my scanner.
Camera captures details better but neither can capture color very well.


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Edited by stampcrow - 09/13/2020 6:55 pm
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Posted 09/14/2020   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a fascinating cover, Stephen, with a neat oval hand stamp and an interesting destination! Thanks for showing it.
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Posted 09/14/2020   11:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love the penmanship
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Posted 09/14/2020   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
#9 (unplated) on a nice, clean June 19, 1857 prices circular from "Milwaukie," Wisconsin. I don't know if Milwaukee was misspelled, or if the spelling changed.

Speaking of penmanship, this one is tough to read, but my best guess is that it is addressed to Whiting, Indiana, which is on the south side of the Chicago metro area, with Milwaukee being just north of Chicago



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