Show Your US 1857 Perforated Stamps

Here are those areas. See if they are helpful. If not, not worries. I don't want to waste too much of your time. Thanks.

Here I have a 26A and with the recent information wish to see if this might be an F relief primarily because of the lack of tesselation at the rt lower diamond block.

It looks like there is none there.

The oval has almost no ink on the inner oval at 5 oclock.

It does have blotches in the upper oval and I wonder if that is just poor inking or something else.

Thanks for offering any comments.

Hi Rlsny, Finally had sometime to look at your stamp and compare it to known E and F reliefs provided by Ioagoa. First a disclaimer. I am new to identifying these reliefs and I'm still learning the intricacies of each so my conclusion may not be correct. Keep that in mind if you are planning to sell this stamp.

I believe your example is an E relief. A,B,C and even D reliefs are easily eliminated because your stamp does not have the narrow white oval at the top.
The image below highlights your stamp's similarities to the E relief and its differences to the F Relief. E Reliefs have a larger gap/weak spot in the line defining the bottom of the white oval above the "EN" in "CENTS". The gap/weak spot on the F relief is noticeably less. E Reliefs also have weak/faint dots on the right side of the lower right rosette. These dots on the F relief are strong.

On the F relief, at the top of the white oval there is a very small gap in the line defining the top of the oval below "ST" in POSTAGE". E Reliefs do not have this gap nor does your example.

Hopefully others can confirm my conclusion. Hope this helps.

Regards,
Harper1249

Hi Chipshot. Your image is too low of quality to determine the relief.

Harper1249

I will get the stamps in hand and see what I can produce for your review. I will try to reach the quality of scan that others post from and add it to this thread. Thank you all for the sharing of your time and knowledge here as it is amazing to see the detail and have someone guide me in the right direction.

Thanks Harper - I've been pursuing this offline as well and E relief seems to be correct. Thanks so much for your time.

Hi RLSNY --

Even though we pursued this one "off line" -- to close the loop on this stamp for SCF...

I sent the stamp you posted back on Jan 6 to a couple of guys in my plating group who specialize in the 1857–1861 type III / IV perforated issues -- and they both plated your stamp to position 43L11E -- thus a Scott #26A.

Thus, the stamp is an E5 relief -- (meaning a 5th row E relief) -- which is consistent with Harper's previously posted relief analysis -- (PS to Harper -- that relief analysis graphic was very nicely done !).

Regards // ioagoa

For reference purposes -- a link to your original post is here):

https://goscf.com/t/72893&whichpage=33#796179

Thanks ioagoa, I didn't want to name drop - I appreciate the loop back.

I hope that this is an improved image and that I might benefit with more information about this stamp. I was quite sure the top of the right frame line stopped before the stamp above and now I am not even sure of that, TIA

This scan was done on my HP scanner using Vue Scan @ 1200 DPI
Professional 48 bit RBG

Here is the back side just because I have it

Hi Chipshot--

Appreciate the reposting of the 1200dpi scan -- but unfortunately -- the scan quality is not the best -- and is still such that I cannot offer much by way of any substantive comments on this stamp.

Clearly there is a stamp above it -- so it is not a top row stamp -- and not an A relief.

Also, those side FL's look awfully straight to me -- so doubtful it is a 26A.

I do see what you mean about the upper tip of the RFL possibly stopping short of the stamp above -- but you may want to look at the stamp with a magnifying glass to see if the corner perf tip at upper right has been thinned from normal separation -- possibly removing a speck of ink along the way -- and thus giving the illusion of the FL ending short of the stamp above?

In any event -- without a better scan -- that is all I can offer for now. Perhaps others will be able to work with the scan and can offer more?

Regards // ioagoa

FYI -- as an aside -- I downloaded your scan and opened it with IrfanView -- and the dpi info shows as a blank (which is strange) -- and the jpg quality shows as 70 -- meaning that the compression factor is 30 -- which is way too much compression to generate an image with enough detail suitable for plating type work.

Some time ago I took a shot at plating these with the help of an excellent article in The Chronicle on the USPCS web page.

"Identifying Imprint Copies Of The 3c 1857 Perforated S4 and S5"
By Robert R. Hegland

Amazing work, but difficult for me to deciphor… but that didn't stop me from trying.

70R28


60R11i

I have added a question mark to each of these stamps, plate position notations.

stampcrow, what's going on with the top and bottom perfs on your 60R11(i)?
Seems like there are extra (clustered) perf holes at a smaller diameter.

Posting to see if I have an improved image by reducing the width and Increasing the quality to 100. It is able to be posted.

Moyock13, I do see that. Hadn't noticed those areas before just the overall messy look of how the stamp was seperated.
I will post a pic of the back to see if that sheds any light on what's going on there.

Heres the back of the stamp I've plated 60R11.
Could it be we're seeing pulled perfs?