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Posted 05/31/2024   7:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Oiman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I liked the Charleston SC cancel on this set of 3 Washington 3 cents. I am hesistant to state what type they are (Scott 11 or 25) because the perforations are not on all sides (they are completely lacking on top), and the vertical perforations between the middle and right stamp appear to not be fully punched. Nonetheless I think it's neat to look at.
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Posted 05/31/2024   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those are #25's scissor separated at top.

edit: I should add that this is Nov 1857, and February 28, 1857 was the first government issue perforated 3c stamp. They weren't really prolific at perforating stamps quite yet, and you can see this in your strip with the blind perforations (or missing) between the right two stamps vertically. It's an interesting item for that reason. Also the fact that someone scissor separated it at top -- where it should have and probably did have some perforations. Scissor-separation is common; but given the timing and combined with the blind perfs make this kind of interesting from the early-perforation angle.
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Posted 06/02/2024   09:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Oiman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of the first things I wanted to identify in the album I received was an elaborate 6 pointed star. I found a nice Cancellation guide written by Hubert Skinner that appears to mark it as a cancel from Chicopee. It is interesting design for what I believe is a scott 26a.



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Posted 06/02/2024   12:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Oiman --

You are correct on both fronts -- the cancel on your stamp is the Chicopee 6-pointed star -- and the stamp is a Scott #26A -- sixth row relief F showing guide dot at lower right (GD is between the right frame line and the lower right diamond bock) -- nice stamp with a nice cancel.

Regards // ioagoa
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Posted 06/04/2024   02:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Navyvet78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp has me stumped. I believe it is from plate 7, yet no luck plating it so far. What jumped out at me when I snagged it at the latest show is the fine scratches, which pointed me to either plate 5 or 7, along with the ink film that generally covers the stamp. I checked the plating mats thinking that the fine scratches would be marked, but no luck. So, question is, am I right on plate 7 (or 5 for that matter).
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Posted 06/04/2024   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is position 29L10.
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Posted 06/05/2024   02:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Navyvet78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just looked at the plating mat, and of course, perfect match. Thanks for the plating! Lesson learned, if I can't find it on the plate I think it is from, try the others.

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Posted 06/06/2024   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Oiman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have this Scott 37 with a really crisp red cancel. I think it might be a carrier cancel but I have not yet identified this 100%. It's a nice cancel regardless

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Posted 06/07/2024   03:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That pretty red cancel looks like an Exchange Office Postmark, possibly "Boston Br. Pkt" meaning that the letter was carried from Boston to Europe on a British steamship. Here is an example of that cancel on-piece from a Heritage auction in 2012.


Richard Frajola has an amazing exhibit showing the evolution of markings on steamship packet mail between the USA and France from 1840 to 1875, including this cover with a postmark similar to yours ("Boston Am Pkt" means it was carried in an American steamship versus yours looks like BR not AM).

https://www.rfrajola.com/SWwestpex/SWTA.pdf

During the mid 1800s there were numerous postal treaties between the US, France, GB, etc. to define transatlantic postal rates, and how the postage fees paid would be split among the sending and receiving nations.
Briefly the markings by the exchange office and other officials indicate how much postage was paid by the sender and/or how much postage is due in the receiving country. This is a deep topic that specialists (not including myself) spend years studying and I cannot speak about it in any detail except that I recognize the cancellation as an Exchange Office postmark. There is a "Detroit Am. Pkt" cover on ebay right now, also with a #37 like yours, but I think the first letter of your cancel starts with "B" not "D" hence Boston is more likely.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333316791106

There are some other threads on SCF to dive into, if interested, such as
https://goscf.com/t/35627#301242
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Posted 06/07/2024   07:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Oiman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, that's nice info. Thanks for the explanation. Pretty interesting how the stamp made its way back here if it did in fact go overseas
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Posted 06/10/2024   8:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Oiman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wanted to show this new-to-me realization that one of the Scott 24 Franklins has a printing variation that if I understand correctly is position 52R8 with the 'curly hair' detail. The stamp to the right is in nice condition and appears to have no cancel (a rarity among the early stamps in this collection).


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Posted 06/11/2024   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are correct with the identification being 52R8 with "Curl in hair" variety, nice find.

Here is a better look at it without a cancel covering it.

http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...inFrame.html


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Posted 07/03/2024   1:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Something that kind of blew my mind when I saw it, so I grabbed it -



This unused OG block, is Scott 36B, the 12c Plate 3.
It is positions 9-10/19-20L3, showing the centerline straddle.

The centerline is not perforated. Plate 3 stamps are not known used prior to 6/1/1860.

I have not noted that anyone has written about position 10L3 yet, but it is obviously a notable plate variety. The marks on it at the top, remind me of the tool marks from this revenue thread:
https://goscf.com/t/86859

Toppan Carpenter's care in making plates was seriously declining, to say the least.
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Posted 07/09/2024   03:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Navyvet78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This one is defying plating so far, so would like a little help with it. It is an F relief, Scott 24. I've gone through the plating diagrams a few times with no luck.
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Posted 07/09/2024   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Navyvet, you have mentioned the plating diagrams (presumably in the Neinken book) in a couple of posts. Are you aware of the photo archive maintained by Richard Doporto? http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...hv_Main.html
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