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Washinton 3c Scott #10-#11

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Posted 08/31/2020   04:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add LordInVader to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello to all Stamp masters,

I have a Question regarding the Washington 3c.

I see that there are 4 entries in the Scott Catalogue:

#10 org brown I
#10A org brown II
#11 dull red I
#11A dull red II

Are there any resources online that you know of to identify the colors of these stamps?

I see Stamps for sale, both #10s and #11s that look identical in color to my eyes.

I know how to identify the different Types, the color is just giving me some trouble.

Thanks for any help!
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Posted 08/31/2020   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The best way has been mentioned a zillion times before - try stampsmarter. Just remember, color differences are very much impossible online

Peter
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Posted 08/31/2020   10:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 09/02/2020   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
LordInVader, The Scott US Specialized Catalog identifies several colors in addition to orange brown and dull red.

Many stamps advertised as #10/10A (orange brown) are incorrectly identified, and are actually #11/11A (various other colors).

Accurately identifying the colors of these stamps in online images is essentially impossible because of a wide range of outputs from many different scanners, and because every display screen renders color differently.

However, here is an image of eight basic colors that may be helpful. They all were scanned together, to show how the colors compare to each other.

Disclaimer: This image is provided to display variations in ink color between different stamps, all of which were scanned together. Because of variations in scanner settings, and because different display screens render colors differently, this image may not be suitable for confirming colors of stamps in hand or in other images.


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Posted 09/02/2020   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add percyjgp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is one that I have struggled with even though I have a certified 10. This is the latest I have received that was listed as a 10A, but I think it may be an 11A. Color is tough even when comparing it to a known orange brown. I definitely need a better scanner.


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Posted 09/02/2020   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
percyjgp, Your stamp definitely is not a #10A. It could either be a yellow brown, or oxidized ink of another color.

Here is a yellow brown at right next to the orange brown.

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Posted 09/02/2020   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add percyjgp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The picture doesn't show the color that well.


And my scanner is never clear.
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Posted 09/02/2020   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was the first image from the ad, and the second image from your scanner? The second image looks like a completely different color.

What type of scanner do you have? Epson scanners are the best, in my opinion, based on 20+ years experience with scanning stamps with different brands of scanners.
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Posted 09/02/2020   5:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add percyjgp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1 is from a digital camera, and the 2nd was from my scanner. Neither really shows the true color. It is a shade between my 11 and 10. It looks closer to the orange red to my eyes, but I think plating it is going to give the true answer, and I have never plated one of these stamps yet.
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Posted 09/02/2020   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your stamp appears to be from plate 2L, 3, or 5L. Plating it won't help much with determining color.

Plates 2L and 3 produced stamps in the brownish carmine, claret, dull red, rose red, and orange red colors.

Plate 5L produced stamps in the brownish carmine, claret, orange red, And yellowish rose red colors.

Can you post an 800 DPI scan?
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Posted 09/02/2020   7:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add percyjgp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll see what I can do. I am looking at getting a V600. I think that will be better than the HP I have.
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Posted 09/02/2020   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add percyjgp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 09/02/2020   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a clearer scan. I can confirm it's not a #10A, but I can't confirm the color. All I can say is that that on my monitor I don't see any orange in your stamp, and it comes closest to my rose red or claret.

I invite you to check out the 1851-57 imperforate topic on this site:

https://goscf.com/t/72775&whichpage=1
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Posted 09/02/2020   8:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add percyjgp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, I wanted to at least eliminate the plates that could make it a 10A, but the color may be more of a darker shade of the rose red. The scan to me still seems to be making it more red, but that could just be the larger image vs. the smaller stamp.
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Posted 09/02/2020   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome.
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Posted 09/02/2020   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For the money I'd look at the Canon lide 220. The V600 will set you back $200 while the Canon can be found under $100. They both produce beautiful results and really how many items do you scan at 6400 x 9600 dpi resolution?
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