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King George V Sideface Varieties

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Posted 02/08/2021   11:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
  • 5d Die II BW 127(3)r / SG 130 Variety not listed in SG catalogue
  • Left frame absent or thinned behind Kangaroo
    • Detail images show two examples
  • Plate 3, Right Pane, Position 60 (3R60)
  • Exists only on BW 127.
    • The other Die II issue, BW 126, only used Plate 2
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  • 5d Die II BW 127(3)j / SG 130 Variety not listed in SG catalogue
  • Some shading lines left of mid portion of crown do not reach the wattle leaves
    • ACSC describes this as a white flaw
  • Plate 3, Left Pane, Position 57 (3L57)
  • Exists only on BW 127.
    • The other Die II issue, BW 126, only used Plate 2
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  • 1d BW 82 / SG 125 Variety not listed in either catalogue
  • First state; normal
  • Second state
    • Three shading breaks around the stem of the right wattle. This is subject to inking and only two are visible in the example.The red dot on the detail image indicates the approximate location of the third break.
    • White flaws in oval between the emu's beak and breast, also subject to inking. The largest such flaw, 1mm below the beak is however visible.
    • Right side of the right fleur de lys on crown extends downwards and is connected horizontally to the dot on the left side of the crown. Very variable.
    • March 1916 to 1929
  • Third state
    • The second state flaws as above
    • L of AUSTRALIA has a rectangular projection from its base
    • Break in left Frame running NE to SW about 11¾mm from bottom left corner. Often filled in with inking and not visible in this example.
    • 1929 to Final
  • Plate 4, Electro VIII, Position 55 (VIII/55)
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Posted 02/28/2023   01:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a 1½ with no top to the crown. The same as this one but mine is brown. I presume it is SG 78. Can anyone help please.
The second stamp, also a 1½ brown has what I thought was an eighth wattle but it is totally different to the one later on this page. Guidance please.
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Quote:
The board contains the message "his topic has been dormant for over 2 years. If you are not posting about this exact stamp, please click here to start your own topic"


Fine, you are doing the right thing, just add "Thread Bumped" before your
text.
You are preventing entropy, and continuing a discipline.

First Stamp
Guess
1½d Die 1 1919-1922 Chocolate (August 1920)
Single wmk Type 2
Electro 8 Lower Right Position
Brusden White 85,86, (8) K Page 4/157
Position 8L54
CV : $45-$30-$15 2007

PS : Nice example ( I don't do Gibbons numbers)

Very strange Postmark "O" looks strange, any members suggestions (Victoria)

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Posted 02/28/2023   03:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
2nd stamp.
Cannot see any similar, you need a specialist to chime in.

PS: It is good philatelic practice, for any ID, if possible, to include Wmk (watermark) and perforation guaging details.

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Edited by rod222 - 02/28/2023 03:33 am
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Posted 02/28/2023   04:40 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Boreraig,

I would place your first stamp as Electro 9, Left pane, Position 30 (9L30). This is listed in the BW ACSC as 85(9)i.
Source: 2022 BW KGV Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue

The flaw on the second stamp is not listed in the KGV ACSC but it looks to be Electro 8, Left pane, Position 23 (8L23).
Source: 3rd Edition KGV Flaw Location Guide Three Halfpence, Volume 1, Electros 1-12 by Bill Fiora
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Posted 02/28/2023   05:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks FDS,
So 2007 Brusden White is out of date
Shows as 85 (9)h

The broken shading between the Emu's legs confirms your ID

Don't think I have read Bill Fioras monograph,
shall have to look for that.

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Edited by rod222 - 02/28/2023 05:01 am
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Posted 03/17/2023   05:43 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Test your skill (and resources) challenge - not an easy one to find the plate and position.
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Posted 03/17/2023   06:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was closing catalogue, stumped, no idea, everthing looked OK
perhaps the bottom right hand serif was a bit thin.

As I closed the book, I spotted it

My catalogue is 2007, so not listed
Is it the "notch" upper left frame design, just above the Wattles ?

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Posted 03/17/2023   06:56 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's the correct flaw, Rod222.
The next part of the challenge is to identify the plate and position.
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Posted 03/17/2023   06:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I, for one cannot do that, Fairdinkum, as my out of date catalogue (2007)

I watch with interest.
It's extraordinary, when I consider I stared at that stamp for a good ten minutes,
completely missing that notch.
The Wattles always annoys me, I find it hard to ever find flaws in them.

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Posted 04/03/2023   12:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all,
My father wasn't interested in "officials" and didn't generally sort them or clean them. However I gather they are now collectable. This turned up in a bundle of 1½d KGV reds. It is perf 13½ x 12½ which makes it a small multiple watermark.
I can't exactly claim the OS is sideways as only the S and part of the O is present. But would anyone be interested?


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Posted 04/03/2023   04:12 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Boreraig,
Your perfin is SG.2 used by Sargood, Gardiner Ltd., Warehousemen, 61-73 Flinders Lane, Melbourne, Victoria. Used 1927-1940.
Source: Handbook of Australian Private Perfins, Edited by John Mathews.

Below is an example of mine (reversed to match your orientation) with a double strike cluttering it , so I have deleted and patched the holes in the mockup on the far right.
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Posted 04/03/2023   04:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks once again Fairdinkumstamps you guys are amazing.
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