Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Best Place To Auction Off A Large Collection Of Chinese Stamps?

Previous Page | Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 57 / Views: 7,759Next Topic
Page: of 4
Valued Member
United States
11 Posts
Posted 10/02/2020   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RayCarsmo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@GeoffHa - Yes I think having an UK lawyer would be more ideal in this situation.

@Noocassel - Having absolutely no prior knowledge in auctions, I reached out to the most well-known auction houses, Christie's and Sotheby's. While they refused to give a value to our stamps, Sotheby's referred us to Warwick & Warwick. After some email exchanges and also a few phone calls with them, they seemed knowledgeable and reliable, however one can never take too many precautions. In addition, we feel that some of the estimates seem low, judging by what similar stamps in the past have auctioned for. Of course there are many variables that affect the valuations, but we believe it wouldn't hurt to at least get a second opinion.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
898 Posts
Posted 10/02/2020   02:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just thinking out loud here, but perhaps you could contact the China Stamp Society (US-based), present your situation, and see which firm(s) they might recommend.

They are at: https://www.chinastampsociety.org/

The reason I suggest this is that, several years ago, several substantial Japan collections were sold off by experts in that field, and they used what they considered the best go-to firm at that time, Kelleher (which was mentioned earlier in this thread). The auctions were held in Hong Kong.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
-- Japan, Korea, Trucial States & more on HipStamp: https://www.hipstamp.com/store/the-philatarium

long-term member: American Philatelic Society, Int'l Society for Japanese Philately, & others
Bedrock Of The Community
12567 Posts
Posted 10/02/2020   08:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
FYI - Kelleher & Rogers, Kelleher Auctions Hong Kong based subsidiary, held their last auction of China/Asia material this Summer. The sale was held in Danbury CT due to pandemic and political/societal issues in Hong Kong. A quick viewing of the Contract T&Cs showed that the jurisdiction in the event of a dispute was CT.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
11 Posts
Posted 10/08/2020   12:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RayCarsmo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've emailed Kelleher twice in the last 6 days with no response. Looks like I should give them a call tomorrow. Has anyone had issues trying to reach them?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
3745 Posts
Posted 10/08/2020   07:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You should stick with your first choice Warwick & Warwick .You are swaying back and forth:not sure,Now everybody in the stamp world knows about it. Big mistake IMO.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
8430 Posts
Posted 10/08/2020   10:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is getting a little off kilter. If you really got this collection , get on a airplane and book a hotel around New York City and go to Seigal ,Cherrystone and drive over to see Michael Rogers at Kelleher .Have them all look at it and give you both a cash offer and a estimate if you put it up for auction .

The saddest thing I seen in collecting stamps is people being cheap about getting a apprisal of what they have ,they rather get on line and talk to a few nickel and dime collectors for advice ,than spend the money and fly over to a expert on the subject .

This board and other stamp boards over the years had dozens if not hundreds of people who claim they has a valuable collection to sell ,but can't tell us too much details and want and expect to get good advice ......my advice is hire a expert who knows the market and not wait for a stamp collector here to know how to sell a few hundred thousand dollar collection . HIRE SOMEONE ,first thing they are going to tell you after they think it is real is get cert's on the better stuff.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
12567 Posts
Posted 10/08/2020   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Floortrader - You make a lot of assumptions about the level of experience of people on this forum and in my case your assumptions are BS.

As far as your advice goes you are telling somebody to hop on an airplane in the COVID era, book a NYC hotel, arrange appointments with several auction houses and "drive around". You tender that advise without seeing one stamp.

Talk about "off kilter".
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
8430 Posts
Posted 10/08/2020   12:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes ,I do think something is out of kilter here ......does he have the stamps or not .......From what he says he got some valuable early China but is it real ? Maybe he lives within driving distance of New York , I said he needs to talk to experts who deal with early China and knows the market and get his stuff expertized ,not talk to a chat board .
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
5460 Posts
Posted 10/08/2020   1:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ray is located in a far Western state. Probably no stamp shows and no one traveling to look at collections right now.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by redwoodrandy - 10/08/2020 4:36 pm
Valued Member
United States
11 Posts
Posted 10/09/2020   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RayCarsmo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
perf12: We have a few hundred stamps in our collection, and so far only Warwick & Warwick has seen the entire set. For the others I've contacted I've only shown a few stamps. I'm not sure why having multiple auction houses know about the existence of our stamps would be a bad idea. We are new to the stamps scene and to the auction world as well so please enlighten me.

floortrader: With the ongoing pandemic, travel is easier said than done. I'm in Los Angeles; traveling from one heavily impacted metropolitan area to another heavily impacted metropolitan area is ill advised. Without even the initial e-mail contact I don't feel comfortable visiting even a relative, let alone an auction house.

Hiring an expert is a good idea, but like I said I'm new to the stamps scene and definitely has never auctioned anything of such value. Getting them certified would be nice too, and I didn't even know that's possible with Chinese stamps. I will look into that. In my first post I've included a photo of 1 page out of our collection if you want to check the validity. You can run a google image search or something, won't find it anywhere.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Singapore
750 Posts
Posted 10/09/2020   01:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting nobody mentioned John Bull, they specialise in rare China stamps.

https://jbull.com/en/home
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Singapore
750 Posts
Posted 10/09/2020   01:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would advise going to a a major Chinese auction company specialising in China stamps as that is where Chinese collectors with deep pockets will flock to.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
France
2926 Posts
Posted 10/09/2020   01:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John Bull was mentioned by redwoodrandy in one of the first messages.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Singapore
750 Posts
Posted 10/09/2020   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I missed that post.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
11 Posts
Posted 10/12/2020   2:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RayCarsmo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As perf12 pointed out in an earlier post, it's a big mistake that everyone in the the stamp world knows about what we have. Can someone please explain to me why having multiple auction houses know about the existence of our stamps would be a bad idea. Isn't it in the best interest of the seller to gauge the competence of each auction house, as well as their ability to ensure the maximum gains for their clients, and make a decision as to which auction house to go with, based on those factors? Thanks in advance.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 4 Previous TopicReplies: 57 / Views: 7,759Next Topic  
Previous Page | Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.21 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05