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Bluish Paper Under Microscope?

 
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Posted 12/28/2020   2:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
i was wondering if you can see the 35% rag/cloth contend of the bluish paper W/F 1909 under a microscope.

asking since I do not own one (microscope), and a search on scf showed me the blue lapiz in the paper used for scott 1 and 2
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Posted 12/28/2020   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dutch, the "blueish" paper looks more grey than blue to the eye. It is most easily detected by using orange paper as a background


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Posted 12/28/2020   3:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After reading this post on blue papers, I would think you could easily see the rag content or the mineral colorant with a microscope.

https://goscf.com/t/41087#349867
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Posted 12/28/2020   6:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter, thank you, I am aware of that and got myself 2 certified bluish as reference.

just wondering if you could see it
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Littleriverphil

thank you interesting reading! I agree and think it should show.

i will try to find a microscope I can borrow and try it.
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Although we have discussed the validity of using RH White color examples for color identification, there is also a book called, "The Papers and Gums of United States Postage Stamps, 1847-1909". In that book there is Plate 20 which has some scans of Clay Papers that could be of interest.

20-3 is listed as long cotton fibers in 10cent specimen on Blue Paper. The write-up adds, "depicts a 50X magnification of a suspected blue paper segment of a cancelled 10c. Some long fibers of cotton can be identified. The paper is not opaque. Light transmission is again shown to be far greater than that of the clay paper (20-6)":


20-4 is listed as resembling clay paper. The write-up adds, "A piece of selvage of an 8c stamp, from a group of specimens thought to be on clay paper, is picture in 20-4. There is better light transmission and less density or filling between fibers than in 20-6... Despite the greenish-gray appearance of the inked selvage, it is not representative of a clay paper."


Lastly, 20-6 is a printing on clay paper. The write-up adds, "A striking example of a clay paper (margin of a certified stamp) is shown in 20-6. The background matrix is almost solid beyond the surface fibers. The fibers are large and characteristic of woody plants. Dominant features of clay papers: (1) the matrix is dense permitting minimal light transmission. (2) The mineral, clay filler gives the stamps a gray tone, particularly noticeable in the margins. (3) Watermarks do not show as clearly as they do on normal or blue papers."


I hope this adds a little to the discussion.
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An excellent explanation of bluish paper from R H White:
http://wyzaerd-pf-prod.s3.amazonaws...layPaper.pdf
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