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Posted 02/22/2021   09:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add goblue79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm not able to identify these stamps. The writing is not Arabic and my best guess is that it's Farsi. The date at the top is 1932. Any ideas where these are from?
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Posted 02/22/2021   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forgeries ,made for the collecting market .
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Forgeries ,made for the collecting market .


Explain why they are forgeries.
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Posted 02/22/2021   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


These are Faridkot 1888 ŻA posthumous lithograph reprints based on the design of Faridkot 1884 ŻA essay.

These were continued to be sold by the Faridkot State Post to the public as late as till 1899 as reported by Charles Stewart-Wilson, editor of The Philatelic Journal of India and later DGPO.
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Posted 02/22/2021   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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The writing is not Arabic and my best guess is that it's Farsi. The date at the top is 1932. Any ideas where these are from?


The language in the reprints is indeed Farsi but the year is not 1932 but rather 1934.
The Farsi numeral 4 completely differs from the Arabi numeral 4.



The name of the issuing authority or the Indian Feudayory State Faridkot is printed on the left (with respect to the posted stamps here) trapezoidal panel.



The right panel shows the word Tikat i.e. stamp.



The lower panel shows the word Riyasat meaning (feudatory) state.



The word below the numeral 1934 is Samvat which literally means "year" in Sanskritam language but here used to indicate Vikram Samvat, a calendar popularly and officially used in the Phulkiyan states including Faridkot as well as in IFSs in Northern India.



So, 1934 Vikram Samvat corresponds to year 1877 when the essay was originally drawn.

top panel shows the
The central square field shows the denomination Nim Ana i.e. Half Ana.

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Posted 02/22/2021   4:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add goblue79 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Joy - Wow! Thanks for the extended education. I received a number of these stamps in a recently donated collection. Were all of these printed prior to 1900? I can't find any Scott numbers? Thanks again for your help.
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Posted 02/22/2021   11:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JOY / GOBLUE ---They are on the wrong paper ,yours are on white paper ,the originals are on thinner grayish paper . Also the forgers used different shade of ink than the originals .

The first stamp you show ,the blue should be more ultramarine , the green stamp should be emerald green in color .The black stamp should be more gray and not as dark , and last the Orange/brick red stamp should be more rose in color .

AND LAST -----these stamps have very fine detail in the design and the four you show are blurred ,design is very fine in detail and stand out with fine detail .

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Edited by floortrader - 02/22/2021 11:33 pm
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Posted 02/23/2021   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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They are on the wrong paper ,yours are on white paper ,the originals are on thinner grayish paper .


The Faridkot 1888 ŻA reprints were printed on white wove papers which unfortunately in Indian climate tend to yellow easily. That is why most of the stamps are found on toned/yellowed paper.




Ref. The Stamps of Faridkot
Edward Benjamin Evans.
The Philatelic Journal of India (Vol.XLIV No.9 9/1940)


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Also the forgers used different shade of ink than the originals .
The first stamp you show ,the blue should be more ultramarine , the green stamp should be emerald green in color .The black stamp should be more gray and not as dark , and last the Orange/brick red stamp should be more rose in color .


Shades are the last thing one should consider if an IFS stamp is genuine or not.



(Courtesy my friend Mahesh Madduri)

There are several shades of the same color of Faridkot reprints and there is no rigid rule of color to determine the genuineness of IFS stamps. It was not a one time printing in 1888, rather series of several printings, done at least till 1899, resulting in different shades.

Faridkot posthumous reprints are found in abundant quantities. Every IFS starter pack invariably contains one or two of these. On the contrary, forgeries of the reprints are less common than the so-called "original" reprints, most common among the forgeries being from the modern "Ilahabad" forger's factory.


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AND LAST -----these stamps have very fine detail in the design and the four you show are blurred ,design is very fine in detail and stand out with fine detail .


This is not that simple.

By this logic, the following Faridkot stamp should outrightly be labeled as forgery.



But it is not. Guess why?
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Posted 02/23/2021   1:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


goblue79

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Were all of these printed prior to 1900? I can't find any Scott numbers?


Yes, these are Faridkot reprints printed before 1900.

Scotts has a note after Faridkot listing that Several other varieties exist, but it is believed that only the stamps listed here were valid for postal use.

Since these being reprints produced by the Faridkot State Post exclusively for sale to the collectors to earn revenue, these are not (rightfully) listed in stamp catalogs as there was no legitimate provision to use them postally.
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Posted 02/23/2021   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JOY - I am not going to argue the point with you ,you put what you want in your collection . My collection is as follows with these forgeries and reprints both are bogus stamps .

Those shown here are Fakes




These are the reprints and the details are much better .




The first printing was rough but the later issues were improved possibitly used as revenue stamps but not postage stamps ,then the forgers got a hold of them because some album printers got a hold of them not knowing they were bogus .


I see no reason to continue this discussion ..One last scan below ....
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Edited by floortrader - 02/23/2021 4:37 pm
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Those shown here are Fakes


Keep believing.
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Posted 02/23/2021   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Joy - Thank you for the detailed and informative explanation. Great stuff!
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Posted 02/23/2021   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TONYMACG on 2-28-14 on the Australia stamp chat board call them bogus....I will stand with his comment .....they are Fakes .
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Posted 02/24/2021   1:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By that bizarre logic, floortrader's "original" stamps are also fakes as essentially all Faridkot 1888 posthumous reprints are bogus.

https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...71393#631862
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