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Posted 03/15/2021   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Just_fella to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Not France :) quick stop
I've seen the Fournier forgery
can't seem to find a genuine example to compare with
:) it's a fake just wanna be able to spot the differences aside from its on the green blue
Not ultramarine
(the tip of the one is high)
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Posted 03/15/2021   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is there an image?
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Posted 03/15/2021   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just_fella, is there a question here?

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Posted 03/15/2021   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Peter
yes could could someone show me a genuine copy
Or a link to the comparisons of the Fournier forgery?
Couldn't find it
just the image of the forgery(fits my stamp pretty good :)
no genuine though
(Fournier)
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Posted 03/15/2021   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just_fella, you posted two different stamps. The first one you posted with the Paramaribo cancel looks like the real thing. The bottom one may be a forgery - the top serif on the E does not look correct


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Posted 03/15/2021   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Use some magnification on that top stamp and see if the cancel appears to "float" above the stamp/overprint. It works when it's in your hand. On the screen, it looks like the cancel is on top of the overprint.
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Posted 03/15/2021   10:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry the top one is mine (I suspected it a fake)

the bottom one is the Fournier forgery example

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Posted 03/15/2021   10:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I gathered that from the "FAUX" handstamp.
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Posted 03/15/2021   10:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I would like to see another(visual learner)
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Edited by Just_fella - 03/15/2021 10:21 pm
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In the Fournier forgery of this stamp, the underlying stamp is also a Fournier forgery.

The primary way to identify the stamp forgery is to look at the face around the eyes. If there is a lot of white (as in the stamp marked FAUX) it is Fournier forgery.

In the other stamp shown (the one with the PARAMARIBO cancel), there is not a lot of white around the eyes, so it is not a Fournier forgery. It appears to be genuine to me.

Here is another example of a Fournier forgery of this issue:



And here is another example of a genuine one:



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Posted 03/16/2021   07:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks j2186
I didn't know about the eye shading! Good to know
The 1 is still troubling me a little

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The 1 varies enough over all stamps that they are not a good telltale. They clearly did not use all new type, since there are also broken T varieties at minimum plus there are 1s with a foot ranging from very thin to quite thick.

What I am noticing in what I can find online is that the 0 or at least the center of it, looks to be most often with the top tilted to the right, occasionally upright. The Fournier 0 center looks clearly tilted to the left. Note that the base of the 0 can range from above to level with to below the level of the 1 in the genuine. But. Are there more than the Fournier forgeries around?

In any case, since several of the values are in light colors, it is important to get a clear image to be able to identify any Fournier forged designs underneath the overprint.
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Posted 03/16/2021   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you hy-brasil great reply!
wonderful information, I would have gone mad(if not already) comparing the 1
your 0 observation is a great one! (inking I passed it off as, but now that you pointed that out could be worth looking into)
your note was going to end up a question :) you beat me to it.
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Posted 03/16/2021   11:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j2186 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These overprints were made by first typesetting a row of 10, and then duplicating this row until there were enough copies to make a printing form of 100 (10 by 10). There are minute differences between each of the first 10 (these were done in a relatively small printshop). Here is what the first five overprints in each row looked like:




(image taken from Netherlands Philately, Volume 12, No. 3, page 54). You can see many differences in the shape of the "1" and the spacing of the two digits.

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thank you jan!
that may have solved almost every question I could ask about the overprints appearance!
(only thing I could ask is maybe a little more history as to who placed it and why?)
my searches are horrible but getting a little better :) I think
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Posted 03/16/2021   1:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As was the case with many colonies at that time, when stamp supplies ran low they were ordered from the motherland. This took time, especially in times of political unrest and very often stamps were locally overprinted. That is what happened here quite a few times


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