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The New Zealand Penny Dominion - Up Close And Personal

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Posted 04/01/2010   03:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Flaw 2:

The center piece of the "E" of New Zealand is weak or missing.
This is stage two of the accumulative flaws.

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Posted 04/01/2010   03:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Flaw 3:

Occurs in the the "Postage" ribbon at the bottom right of the stamp.
The "E" of postage appears to have a swollen base.

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Posted 04/01/2010   03:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Flaw 4

At the middle right hand side of the stamp the center "pearl" is joined to the top title box by a blob of colour.

The pearl itself is also often distorted.

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Edited by RolyRJ - 04/01/2010 03:52 am
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Posted 04/01/2010   03:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Flaw 5

And the final Tranfer Roller Flaw occurs in the right hand shield. The outer red frame swells into the inner white frame of the shield.

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Posted 04/01/2010   03:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK all that being said BeeGee let's get back to your example.

All the above flaws occur in specific regions of a full sheet. These regions are known after much study.

Your example exhibits the first TWO transfer Roller flaws only so that narrows down the field of search from 240 stamps to approximately 88 stamps.

There are further characteristics in your example that make it unique.

The right hand shield has a very slight indentation at about 1 o'clock.
The left had top rosette is slightly flattened on the left hand side.
The ornamentation on the left hand side has certain misshapen elements.

All the above makes your example a Plate 12, Row 9, Position 9

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Roly
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Edited by RolyRJ - 04/01/2010 03:53 am
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Posted 04/01/2010   11:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Roly, good analysis! So I guess that the dot between the globe and right value shield is not constant.
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Posted 04/01/2010   11:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I note a mint copy of the Dominion stamp with the broken globe is listed as a Buy It Now for $39.99 U.S. on ebay, lot No. 360240236355. It has missing perfs in the top corner.
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Edited by BeeSee - 04/01/2010 11:26 am
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Posted 04/01/2010   7:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK that ebay lot is for what we call a "Lithographic" watermark.

(I can see another mini-lecture coming up )

The full Dealer price for this item MUH in perfect condition is US$62:00 for reference sake.

$40:00 for a missing corner????? Hmmmmm ... Think not.

Finding a real nice USED example is extreemly difficult but the CV do not reflect this difficulty stangely enough. I guess Dealers are not in the main Collectors.

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Roly
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Posted 04/01/2010   9:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rolly, any other plates used for the Rarotonga overprints beside #12?
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Posted 04/01/2010   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I know BeeGee Plate 12 was the only plate used for Rarotonga O/P's.

I will do some further research and let you know
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Posted 05/24/2014   02:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found this older thread and thought I would post my example. I'm no expert, but would like advise as to this example.





I thought the interesting part was the slight break above the left 1 and on frame, as shown.



Any help on positive ID or plating? Thanks.
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Posted 05/31/2014   04:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well I have to start this post off with an apology, I see it is over 4 yrs since I last posted to this Forum !
However it is difficult at best to get an Internet connect in the Highlands of Papua New Guinea where I have been for most of that time.
Now back in New Zealand and retired so much more time now to visit Forums such as this.

Partime, your example above is from Plate 12, Row 9, Column 15.
A really nice example
Cheers
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Posted 05/31/2014   11:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Roly. I was in Auckland about a year ago and enjoyed my visit very much. Absolutely beautiful country, any time of the year. Papua New Guinea will have to come at a later time.
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Posted 09/18/2014   01:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know if Roly is still around, but I picked up a few more examples, and would love to see his plating expertise. These two examples were soaked off a paper fragment, so they may be closely related. My simple analysis tells me that they are both from Plate 13, but that is about it.





I'm sure Roly can point out other differences, but all I can see is the incomplete box in UL and LR in one example:





And on the other, still Plate 13, but only an incomplete line in the UR this time.



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Posted 09/18/2014   05:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RolyRJ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Plate 13 is certainly correct.
You have picked a couple of difficult ones to plate though.
Fortunately I DO have a complete UHM sheet of Plate 13 and the gutter marks on your two examples were the secret in the end.

The first example is Row 8 Colummn 19
The second example is Row 8 Column 18

Quite topical actually as I in the process of putting together another Plate 12 and Plate 13 reconstruction which just may end up on ebay to gauge interest

Cheers
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