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British Forces Boxer Rebellion B.r.a. Overprint

 
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Posted 04/26/2021   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add hy-brasil to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
An old thing dredged up from things put away long ago.

So here we have a (supposed) British surcharge on a Chinese 1/2c stamp, used for payment of a late fee charge for carriage by traveling post offices, probably meaning railway post offices. The stamp has a violet (British: purple) undated rimless RAILROAD POST OFFICE/TIENTSIN.

This piece also has a 1/2a CEF overprint (India SG C2) tied by an F.P.O. No. 20 cancel dated 2(0?) AP 01 cds.

More details on this service (April 20 to May 20, 1901 only) are in the Robson Lowe British Asia book and, more completely, here:
https://books.google.com/books?id=X...rint&f=false
There is a quote on another board from the Gibbons catalog. Except I can't find this in the Gibbons China volume, or my old Commonwealth volumes (not after India or Hong Kong).

As noted above, there are no mint and the unused balance was destroyed when the stamp use and extra charge was ended.

So, anybody think this is not genuine? Images online that I found are too small to judge well. I note that there is a tiny serif sticking up on the upper right of the "F" of "Five" that does not show in those small images.

The CEF stamp on the piece belongs, being the initial rate without surcharge. Whether F.P.O. 20 was in Tsientsin at the time, I do not know. It would be nice to have the whole cover, but it is what it is. It does appear to be cut from a cover because of the corner rips; forgers and favor cancellers like to make their creations nicer and neater.

The green overprint was used after the black one, so based on the CEF cancel date, this piece makes sense.

I suppose I will need to send this in for certification (somebody did for theirs but used PSE(?)) but I thought I would get some opinions and show off this oddball item.
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Posted 04/26/2021   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My 1958 SG Part 3 makes mention of this issue but my 2014 Scott Classic Specialized does not.

The catalogue price in 1958 was 50 shillings which was a tidy sum.
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Posted 04/27/2021   12:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Bobby!

Scott probably missed whatever page it is on in any later SG catalog like I did. But it's perhaps considered to be a local by whomever edits the Classic. Worth a mention at least, you'd think.

Robson Lowe also has it priced high. This has to be genuine first, I suppose.
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Subsidiary Info For German enthusiasts

GERMAN POST OFFICES ABROAD
CHINA
BAHNPOST
PEKING-TAKU
http://www.pvoller.net/new_stamps/g...bahnpost.php
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This Chinese overprinted stamp is listed in the Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps 1840-1970 2020 edition, under India Used Abroad, Chinese Expeditionary Force, British Railway Administration, as SG BR133 1901. Used copy with black surcharge £110, with green surcharge £150.
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Posted 04/29/2021   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all the stalwarts for some excellent research and references! You've made this thread a very useful one and also convinced me that what I have is genuine. That's doubly good because it is not in the value range where I feel a certificate is needed.

22crows, not in either of my much older Commonwealth catalogs/sets in that spot. All the details are highly appreciated.
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