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I feel silly asking this question on this forum, but is there a website explaining MR Crowe's terms of service and pricing for expertizing if I wanted to send items to him? If you wanted to send items to Bill Weiss in the past or Sismondo now, all you had to do was google the name and his website would pop right up. But when I do this with Crowe, I get the PF, stamp circuit, Linked in and every indirect reference possible but a simple one step web address.
Any help would be appreciated
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Quote: That assumes the OP has one of his certs. Just search on ebay and yee shall find what yee needeth. Looks like Randy found the info anyway. |
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Many thanks for the respondents to date. I'm sure several of you realize this is not what I am looking for so perhaps I ought to be more specific. Over the years I have accumulated many stamps with certificates. The vast majority of these are PF, a smaller number PSE, and APEX. I have one from the RPS. Until Bill Weiss came along, I really wouldn't have considered anyone else. Bill offered a time and pricing structure that permitted me to send stamps that I would never have considered submitting formally to the big 3 but given his economy and speed sent to him as sort of pre-expertization to see if maybe worth ultimately sending to the major groups. Examples of such raw stamps would include high value foreign and for example US unused NG copies of Scott 98. Here my goal was simply correct identification and soundness.
Recently, I saw a cert from Mr Crowe for a pair of used Scott 271a being offered by someone on hip stamp and with a cert number of around 15,000. To myself I said if he is certifying items like that and even if he started his cert count around 9000 as he said in one of these other threads was Randy Shoemaker's strategy for the early PSE, I asked myself why not send to Crowe as I previously sent to Weiss?
I am very familiar with researching things on the internet but for the information I am seeking I want it laid out for me so I decide quickly whether to play or pass. Signing up for linked in, stamp circuit, or anything else requiring setting up a user name and password is not worth it to me. I have enough passwords to keep track of. And just speaking for myself, I don't understand a business model that creates barriers—any barriers—for potential customers.
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No, I do not have a website. Please be advised that the Stamp Circuit information is woefully out of date. I am not currently a member of A.I.E.P. and have not lived in Newport Beach California since June 2010.
I can always be reached at my e-mail address - wtcrowe@aol.com. I am currently in my winter quarters and will head home next month. |
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Funcity - to be blunt, Bill Crowe is an expert, Bill Weiss was not. End of story. You get what you pay for. Weiss certs are a dog-whistle to a intelligent dealer that there is probably something wrong.
I have seen large parts of an auction having to be withdrawn because of incorrect Weiss certs on every item (most recent case was for a sale of fancy cancels held by Harmer Schau about six eight ago now on behalf of an owner in Phoenix area). |
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| Edited by Richard Frajola - 04/30/2021 10:16 am |
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Bill Crowe: thank you. I suspected as much given that your certs list Danbury as your base of operations.
Richard Frajola: the point of my post was not to compare the philatelic skills of Mr Crowe to Mr Weiss. However, your dismissal of Mr Weiss ignores the fact that he provided a niche in the philatelic world that had not been seen prior to him or since his death—to my knowledge. And that was to make expertizing opinions affordable and available to the more modest collector—one that might not necessarily consign their material to Scott Trepel but still wanted a general idea of what they had. This forum I suspect proportionally consists of more of those types of collectors than the ones on your own philatelic message board which seem to be more affluent and just maybe some of your board members have a disparaging opinion of stamp collectors compared to postal history enthusiasts as being in some way inferior.
Weiss also participated hardily in educating the masses in the same way that Don on this forum has done with Stamp smarter. He left his website open and many materials on line after his death.
He did write the book on NYFM cancels and as I recall was an expertizer for APEX. What about those credentials make him a "non-expert?" More to the point, I do not recall you being so blunt and judgmental of his skills to his face when he was alive. Why stomp on his memory now?
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FunCity - You are incorrect on several points. I will say my comments were put forward to alert those collectors having Weiss certificates that they should not expect them to be financially beneficial useful when they sell material (other than maybe a garage sale or on ebay). Also, I spoke with Bill and he knew from those conversations my opinion of his expertizing skills. I tried to explain to him about some of the finer points related to postal history and fancy cancels (like a stamp with two domestic cancels was likely to have one real cancel and one fake cancel). By then, much damage had already been done. |
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RF: I think collectors, in general, are more intelligent than the opinion you have of them. Nobody is suggesting that a Weiss certificate is likely to materially enhance the value of the item it described. But I think the same could be said for other certifiers as well and I have certainly heard disparaging remarks on your board by some of the participants about APEX—which is one of the reasons Ken Laurence has spent so much time defending that organization. In fact I think I have heard you write more than once that you only have faith in the person doing the expertizing him/herself; not any particular organization. How many submitters ever actually get that information?
Of course I am in no position to comment on any personal conversations you may have had with Weiss, anymore than I am qualified to compare the skills of Bill Crowe vs Weiss. I will say that private conversations are exactly that: private.
Panning a deceased individual on a public forum is something else entirely. |
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| Edited by funcitypapa - 04/30/2021 4:16 pm |
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It might come down to what your idea of "expert" is, plus "who do you trust?" and at what level? At least some of the Weiss certs I've seen posted here often had an only an opinion of genuine (with no potential faults mentioned) and had the descriptive part left open so that someone else could add anything.
It also comes down to a piece of paper that can be forged easily enough. It can be checked against the expert group's database, but do people actually do that with every cert? And can't a faked cert number be used for a similar-looking genuine stamp? -- will most people really take a good look to compare?
RF should be well aware of the whoppers that the Philatelic Foundation has pulled over the years. The huge Wurdeman fraud of certs altered by a bribed PF typist (!) was only discovered when someone at an auction house looked at one of the so-called clean certified items, a line pair, and found it to be reattached. And these certs were allowed to leave the PF without a further check against records -- sloppy. Sure, that's not going to happen again there. But something else could and probably will. There's really a lot of faith-based trust in their certs that in my opinion is not warranted.
Remember that certs generally note that the result is an opinion, not absolute truth at the time of examination. |
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| Edited by hy-brasil - 04/30/2021 5:51 pm |
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