Is This US 10cent 1867 Grilled Horizontal Or Vertical?

Trying to get this picture on here and hope it works.

The 1867 issue has a vertical grill.

If you believe this is a horizontal "Z" grill (one of the rarest stamps in US philately), send it in for expertizing ASAP and get a lot of insurance for it.

Sorry it took so long to respond but I'm still figuring the forums out. What made you to believe it to be a vertical grill instead of horizontal. Knowing this will be to my favor so as to differentiate quicker my grilled items. As far as expertising it, well that's a little to costly for me. Personally I would like to know for sure then put it back in my grill collection and viewing it occasionally and maybe put it on display for kids who collect or get others collecting. Oh well here's to us collecting dreamers.

A fake grill is also a possibility.

Frankly, without hi-resolution scans of the entire front and back + an additional scan of the back side with exaggerated exposure to really show the grill detail, we cannot tell you very much.

Alternately, a square-on detailed photo with a very low angle side lighting should show the shadows of the grill adequately.

Unfortunately John this item is on a cover dated 1868. I will post 2 other photographs of this item maybe that will help better.

Two US 10 cent items on dated material 1868

Happily, the stamp IS on cover since that adds to its value, although that means a photo taken with side-lighting is desirable.

Of course, an image of the entire cover would be nice to see now.

Because it was printed, by design, with a vertical grill. That's not my belief, that's just fact. Any specimen with a horizontal grill is an error, of which only two are known (this would be the third).



A genuine Z Grill (horizontal grill) is worth north of $3 million. So if you do really believe it's one of these, you're a fool for just putting it in a binder and showing it to the kids occasionally.

HOLY HANNA!! John I just didn't realize how expensive stamps have gotten in these past years. After what you have relayed to me I've got to agree this is more likely to be Scotts E grill. It just had me going with its 17/18 height and 14 width but I did some real hard viewing with magnification angle lighting and thought I could see vertical lines

Read more about grills at Stamp Smarter:

https://stampsmarter.org/learning/I...8Grills.html

PK-- You keep saying "horizontal grill" or "vertical grill". Just want to make sure that you you're referring to the points of the grill, not the shape of the grill.

The vertical points would look like this:


The horizontal points would look like this:


If you already know this, great, and I'm not trying to be condescending, just trying to be helpful. Just sounded to me like you're looking at the grill, and not the individual points of the grill.

Hope this helps, Ray

From the Stamp Smarter link directly above (posted by Classic Coins)



Don

Hope this works John.

Thanks Don, Ray and John for the important inputand I never take offense for receiving great assistance. Thanks again

This was a strip of 3 and you showed us only 1?
PLEASE (and I mean to shout this at you) show us everything from the very beginning next time.
Revealing information bit by bit can come across as game-playing and turn many of us off to replying to your posts.
I feel a bit played.

John Becker, I apologize if this topic was suspect of Tom Foolary but it wasn't meant to be. I posted the best picture that I thought could help in answering the question of topic. If for any reason the forums feel that I'm out of place here I'll sign off and will not be back but with this said I do appreciate the assistance rendered. Thank you