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Help With Iran (Persia) Scott #227 And #654-660

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Posted 02/16/2023   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Update:

For the realizations expected, sending to Europe was just short of penciling out. After some almost sales to collectors, two domestic dealers were found willing to buy the items at a fair price and they were sold.

Attached are images of the certificates for the material now that the transaction has occurred. Front and if not blank back as well. Odd orientation closeup shots to make text easier to read.







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Posted 02/16/2023   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice , On the first cert . the club should of identified the basic stamp as to type is it 1 or 2 ? It is not clear to me if his wording "retouched" means the error was corrected , so is the first printing is the error ? Then Scott should of given it type I to the error and type II is the second corrected printing . Confusing reading the cert .
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Posted 02/17/2023   08:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the write up on these certs are not clear.
Experts (german,french, italian ect)always put the word "genuine" in a distinct short phrase and not at the end of a long discription. "Genuine" mint doesn't mean anything.
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Posted 02/17/2023   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Very nice , On the first cert . the club should of identified the basic stamp as to type is it 1 or 2 ?(**1) It is not clear to me if his wording "retouched" means the error was corrected , so is the first printing is the error ?(**2) Then Scott should of given it type I to the error and type II is the second corrected printing (**3). Confusing reading the cert .


**1 The club did not do a submission, it was certified as a gift of boredom relief during the pandemic so it was done for us by the expertiser himself.

**2 If you will review Scott the type one and type two of the underlying stamp are clearly illustrated, just prior to the 1882-84 listings (starts with #53)

**3 Scott listed it the way Scott listed it. I am not aware of production records which would indicate the actual order of release by date. Likewise if both type appeared on a plate simultaneously, one would expect the more common being listed first. Based upon the pricing, type one is the common version. Now there are three catalogs and numbers mentioned on the certificate. I do not have the other two, only the Scott, but I trust they have additional information. But of course, the group looking at the stamps have access and knowledge.

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This is why I did not include the certificates at the start. I did not need nor want a discussion about how well the certificates and Amos Press (Scott's Publisher) met your, the reader's sensibilities. Cert reads retouched, Scott says retouch (corrected) is type 1. It is not my place nor desire to defend nor explain Scott's listing choices. Likewise they are rabbit holes unrelated to selling the stamps, the purpose of this thread and yes I understand how hard it is to avoid rabbit hole created by others.

However, since the material is gone, dig as many rabbit holes as you (editorial) want. I may respond but if this thread is average there will be many others to respond, likely those with pet rabbits.


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I think the write up on these certs are not clear.
Experts (german,french, italian ect)always put the word "genuine" in a distinct short phrase and not at the end of a long discription. "Genuine" mint doesn't mean anything.


This is Persian expert writing a certificate on Persian stamps for collectors of Persia, I must trust he knows how to write it and may do so differently as compared "German, French, Italian, ect." It is just a syntax difference. Genuine then description of stamp or description of stamp then genuine.

Such pickiness is why I did not show the certificates for the stamps at first. These certificates are considered by many, many dealers as the gold standard for Persian material.
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Posted 02/20/2023   10:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Behruz Nassre is considered the gold standard for Persia expertizing in the USA. I believe that's his signature on each of the certs...
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