Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read
Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

What's The Word On A Revised Springer's Handbook?

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 19 / Views: 931Next Topic
Page: of 2
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1294 Posts
Posted 06/23/2021   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add GregAlex to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Seems like there have been rumors for decades that the Springer's Handbook, covering taxpaid revenues, telegraph stamps, and other obscure philatelic material, would get a revised reissue. Maybe even in a compiled format, so collectors wouldn't have to consult various editions.

Does anyone know what became of this idea? I think the last edition was #10 in 1985. Are these in the public domain yet?
Send note to Staff

Valued Member
United States
299 Posts
Posted 06/23/2021   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Written works don't reach the public domain in the US for something like 95 years, I think.

I wonder, though: maybe an arrangement can be made. Perhaps the owner/publisher would allow a group of volunteers to collate old editions into a new, print-on-demand version. The labor to put it together would be free, and set-up and proofs would be <$250. No inventory, and anyone who wanted a copy could just order one and get it in a few days…
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
3762 Posts
Posted 06/23/2021   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know the American Revenue Association is nearing the end of a lengthy and huge revision and expansion project to produce a greatly improved US revenue stamp catalog. It will make Springer (and some other revenue books) essentially obsolete. I do not know reliable details beyond this - and it should come from someone much closer to the project than myself anyway.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by John Becker - 06/23/2021 9:38 pm
Pillar Of The Community
United States
627 Posts
Posted 06/24/2021   08:04 am  Show Profile Check 1typesetter's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know Eric has been working on an updated Springer catalog. Maybe he can weigh in on the details.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1294 Posts
Posted 06/24/2021   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I know Eric has been working on an updated Springer catalog. Maybe he can weigh in on the details.


I had heard that, too, and was hoping he might have a word to say.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
28 Posts
Posted 06/24/2021   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revinmn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John Becker,

No idea where you got that information, but the ARA is not near the end of anything of the sort, nor are we working on it. There is a private group that has been working on a revised Springer for years now, but I don't know anything about the time line, nor what all will be included. I'd think Eric might know.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
3762 Posts
Posted 06/24/2021   10:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I'll stand corrected on the ARA part, but I do know some collectors who are actively working on sections and I have contributed some data through them.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
7543 Posts
Posted 06/24/2021   10:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's been "coming soon" for several years now........
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
110 Posts
Posted 06/27/2021   2:31 pm  Show Profile Check ericjackson's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ericjackson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The new Springer Catalog is progressing. It is a huge undertaking, but when it finally becomes available I believe you be pleased. It is currently more than 450 pages with hundreds of color illustrations covering all U.S. Taxpaids, Special Tax Stamps, Customs Stamps and Dept. of Agriculture stamps.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Moderator
Learn More...
9680 Posts
Posted 06/27/2021   3:05 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hopefully it will also be available in digital format.
Don
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1294 Posts
Posted 06/27/2021   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It is currently more than 450 pages with hundreds of color illustrations covering all U.S. Taxpaids, Special Tax Stamps, Customs Stamps and Dept. of Agriculture stamps.


You're like the 21st Century Deats & Sterling! Thanks, Eric.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by GregAlex - 06/27/2021 9:51 pm
Valued Member
United States
10 Posts
Posted 09/06/2021   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Taxpaid Revenuer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been working on the Springer Taxpaid catalogue since 1994 with Eric Jackson, using his expanded numbering catalogue numbers and pricing. Below is the table of contents:

SECTION ONE - U.S.I.R. FOOD PRODUCTS TAXPAIDS

Process Butter (FB) ………………………………………...............…........................…………………………. 1
Filled Cheese (FC) …………………………………............……….........................……………………………. 3
Imported Filled Cheese (FCM) ……………………............……….........................……………………. 3
Mixed Flour (FD) ……………………………………………............….........................…………………………. 4
Oleomargarine (FE) …………………………………………….........................…………………………………. 5
Oleomargarine for Exportation (FF) ………………………………............….............…….……………………. 8

SECTION TWO - U.S.I.R. COTTON BALE TAGS

Cotton Bale Tags (CB) …………………………………………..…………..........................……………………. 9

SECTION THREE - U.S.I.R. OPIUM TAXPAIDS

Prepared Smoking Opium (OB) ………………………………..………..........................……………………… 13

SECTION FOUR - U.S.I.R. TOBACCO TAXPAIDS

Cigarettes, Class A (TA) …………………..….…………….……………….…….….........………….…... 14
Cigarettes, Class B (TB) ………………………………………..…………………….……..…..………..……….. 36
Cigarette Closures .................................................... 43
Cigars (TC) ……………………………………………………….……………….……...…… ..….……………..… 45
Cigars For Exportation (TCX) ……………………………………..……………..….….…….……..…………….. 107
Small Cigars (TD) ……………………………………………..………………………….……….………..……..... 109
Snuff (TE) …………………………………………………………..…………….……….………… ….…………… 115
Tobacco (TF) …………………………………………………………………….…….…………………… ……….. 141
Tobacco for Exportation (TFX) ………………………………………………………….…….……………….…... 179
Tobacco Strips (TG) ……………………………..…………………………………….….….……..…………….... 183
Private Die Tobacco Essays (TH) ……………………………………………….……......………….…………… 223
Tinfoil Tobacco Wrappers (TJ) ………………………………………………………………………...........……. 225
Paper Tobacco Wrappers (TP) ……….……………………………….….…..….…………..……….......... 230
SECTION FIVE - U.S.I.R. ALCOHOL TAXPAIDS

Beer (or Fermented Liquor)
Brewer's Permit (AA) ………………….…………….………...............……….…..……….…….……... 241
Export Fermented Liquor Stamps (AB) ……….……...............……..……….…………….…..….….. 242
Beer Stamp Proofs and Essays (ABC) …………………………………………………….…..……….. 243

Wine
Compound Liquor (Imitation Wine Stamps) (ABD) …….....……..............……..…..……… 251
Fortified Sweet Wine (ABE) ……………………………………...............……….…..….….…...……… 251
Fortified Wine for Exportation (ABF) …………………………................….…….……...….…….. 252
Fermented Fruit Juice (ABG) ................................................... 252

Warehouse
Distillery Warehouse (ABH) …………………………….…..…….…….…...….….…….…. ..…………. 254
Special Bonded Warehouse Grape Brandy (ABK) …………………….………….….......… ....……... 256
Special Bonded Warehouse for Re-Warehousing Grape Brandy (ABM)…… ………... 257
Transfer Stamp for Grape Brandy (ABN) ……………………………................…….…..…….....… 258
General Bonded Warehouse (AC) …………………………………..….….………...…….…… ……. 259
Transfer Stamp for General Bonded Warehouse (ACA) …………..……...….…..….….…..……….. 259
Re-Transfer for General Bonded Warehouse (ACB) …………………….…….…....….…….………. 259
Industrial Alcohol Transfer (ACE) ……………………………………..…….................……..………… 259

Distilled Spirits (AD) ….……………........................………………………..…..…..….…….……. 260

Rectified & Other Spirits
Distilled Spirits for Exportation (ADA) ……………………..……..............………...…….………… 278
Wholesale Liquor Dealer (AF) ………….………..……….…….......................……..…………….. 279
Imported Spirits (AFA) ........................................................ 282
Rectified Spirits (AG) ……………………………………………..............………..…….……..………… 283
Denatured Alcohol (AH) …………………………………..………….................……..…..….…………. 287
Collector's or Director's Certificate (AJ) ……….………………................…………….………… 288

Bottled Distilled Spirits
Bottled in Bond Bottle (green) Strip and Case Stamps (AKB and AKC) …….. 290
Bottled in Bond Gin for Export Bottle Strip and Case Stamps (AMB and AMC) 300
Bottled in Bond for Export Bottle (blue) Strip and Case Stamps (ANB and ANC) 301
Bottle and Case Stamp Export Overprints (APB and APC) ………..………………....... 305
Distilled Spirits (red) Strip Stamps (ARB) …………….............…………………..………….………… 306
Warehouse Bottle (black) Strip and Case Stamps (ATB and ATC) ………………………………..… 311
Non-Beverage 19 Proof Gallons of 190 Proof (95%) Alcohol Strip and Case (AV) .. 312
Detainer and Bottle Seal Stamps (AW) .......................................... 312

Hydrometer Labels (AX) ………………………..……………………..…………...............…….…..….………... 313
Lock Seals (AY) …………………………………………..…..…………….……...............……….….……..……. 317

SECTION SIX – U.S.I.R. SPECIAL TAX STAMPS

Introduction to Special Tax Stamps …..……….….………………………………………………… ………...… 325
Introduction to Civil War Occupational Licenses (1862-72) …………………………....……….. 332

Beer & Wine
Retail Dealer in Malt Liquors (SA) ………………….………………………….……………...…..…… 333
Retail Dealer in Fermented Liquors (SA) …………….………………………………….…...….…… 334
Retail Dealer in Fermented Malt Liquors (SA) ……….………………………………….…...….…… 335
Retail Dealer in Malt Liquors at Large (SAB) …………………………………………..….…..……… 336
Retail Dealer in Wines and Malt Liquors (SAC) ………………………..………….…..,..……… 336
Retail Dealer in Wines (SAD) …………………………………..…………………………………..…… 336
Retail Dealer in Fermented Malt Liquors (Picnic Stamps) (SAE) ………………..……. 337
Retail Dealer in Wine and Malt Liquor – Temporary (SAE) ……………………………….………… 338
Temporary Retail Dealer in Fermented Liquors (Malt or Vinous) ……………….………………….. 338
Limited Retail Dealer in Beer & Wines (SAE) ………………………………………………………… 338
Wholesale Dealer in Malt Liquors (SAF) …………………………………………….………..……… 338
Wholesale Dealer in Fermented Liquors (SAF) ……………………………………….……...……… 339
Wholesale Dealer in Fermented Malt Liquors (SAF) ………………………………………...……… 339
Wholesale Dealer in Wines (SAG) …………………………………………………….……….……… 340
Wholesale Dealer in Wines and Malt Liquors (SAH) …………………………..….………….…...… 341
Brewer of Less Than 500 Barrels per Year (SAJ) …………………………………….……..…….… 342
Brewer (SAK) ……………………………………………..……………………….…….…….....……… 343
Brewer of 500 Barrels or More (SAK) …………………….…………………………….……...……… 344
Brewer, Distiller, Liquor Dealer (SAL) ……………………………………………….….……...……… 345

Hard Spirits
Retail Liquor Dealer (SB) …………………………………………….…………….…………......…… 345
Wholesale Liquor Dealer (SBA) …………………………..……….……………………….....…….… 348
Retail Dealer in Liquors at Large (SBB) …………………………..…………………..……...……… 351
Rectifier of Distilled Spirits (SBC) ……………………………………………………..….…...……… 352
Rectifier of Less than 500 Barrels per Year (SBD) …………………………………….…..……… 353
Manufacturer of Stills (SBE) ………………….…………….……..…………………….……...……… 355
One Still (SBF) …………………………………….……………………………..…………...'.….…..… 357
One Worm (SBG) ………………………………………..………………………………….…..….…….. 358
Manufacturer of Non-Beverage Products (SBH) ………………………………..………..……..……… 359
Medicinal Spirits Stamp (SBJ) …………………………..…………………………………….……..…... 360

Tobacco
Dealer in Manufactured Tobacco (SC) ………………………………………………………...……..… 361
Dealer in Tobacco (SC) …………………………………..……………………….……………...……… 361
Dealer in Leaf Tobacco (SCB) ……………………………..….………………………..………..……… 363
Dealer in Leaf Tobacco, Less than 25,000 Pounds (SCC) ……………………………..………. 364
Retail Dealer in Leaf Tobacco (SCD) ………………….……………………………….………..……… 365
Peddler First Class (SCE) ………………………………………………………………………………… 365
Peddler Second Class (SCF) ……………………………………………………….………..…..……… 366
Peddler Third Class (SCG) ………………………………………………………………………..……… 367
Peddler Fourth Class (SCH) …………………………………...………………………………....……… 367
Manufacturer of Cigars (SCJ) …………………………………………………….…….………..……… 368
Manufacturer of Tobacco (SCK) ………………………………………………….………..…....……… 371
Manufacturer of Cigarettes (SCL) …………………………..……………………….…...…….. 373
Manufacturer of Cigarettes for Small Cigars (SCM) …………………...……… 373

Food
Manufacturer of Oleomargarine (SD) …………………………………………….…………….……… 374
Wholesale Dealer in Oleomargarine (SDA) …………………….……………………..……… 375
Wholesale Dealer in Uncolored Oleomargarine (SDB) ……………………..……… 376
Retail Dealer in Oleomargarine (SDC) ……………………………….…………………..……… 377
Retail Dealer in Uncolored Oleomargarine (SDD) …………………..……..……… 378
Retail Dealer in Adulterated Butter (SDE) …………………………………………..……… 380
Wholesale Dealer in Adulterated Butter (SDF) …………………………………..……… 380
Manufacture of Adulterated Butter (SDG) ……………………………………………..……… 380
Manufacturer of Process or Renovated Butter (SDH) ……………………..……… 380
Manufacturer of Mixed Flour (SDJ) ……………………………………………………………..……… 381
Manufacturer of Filled Cheese (SDK) …………………………..……………….……….……… 382
Wholesale Dealer in Filled Cheese (SDL) ……………………………………………..……… 382
Retail Dealer in Filled Cheese (SDM) ……………………………………………………..……… 382
Drugs
Manufacturer, Distributor, Etc. of Opium (SE) ………..…………….……………..……..……… 382
Importer, Manufacturer, Etc. of Opium (SEA) ……………………………….….……………..……… 383
Dealer in Untaxed Opium, Etc. (SEB) …………………………………………....…….….…..……… 384
Dealer in Untaxed Opium, Coca Leaves (SEB) ………………………………………………..……… 384
Laboratory Using Opium, Coca Leaves (SEC) ………………….……………………………..……… 385
Practitioner Dispensing Opium (SED) …………………………………………………………..……… 385
Practitioner Dispensing Opium, Coca Leaves, Etc. (SED) …….…………………..………. 385
Retail Dealer in Opium, Etc. (SEF) ……………………………….……….…………………………… 386
Retail Dealer in Opium, Coca Leaves, Etc. (SEF) …………….………….…………………..……… 387
Retail Dealer in Opium, Etc. (SEF) ……………………………………………………….…....……… 387
Wholesale Dealer in Opium (SEG) ……………………………….……………………………..……… 388
Wholesale Dealer in Opium, Coca Leaves, Etc. (SEG) ………….………………….…..……… 388
Producer of Marihuana (SF) ……………………………………………..……………………..……… 388
Practitioner Dispensing Marihuana (SFA) ……………………………………………………..……… 389
Laboratory Using Marihuana (SFB) ………………………………………………………..…..……… 390
Dealer in Marihuana (SFC) ……………………………………………………………………...……… 390
Importer, Manufacturer or Compounder of Marihuana (SFD) ………………………..……… 391

Other
Proprietor of Bowling Alley or Billiard Room (SG) ………….……………………..…...…… 392
Billiard or Pool Room Premises (SGA) ……………………………………………..…………..……… 392
Bowling Alley Premises (SGB) …………………………………………………………………..……… 393
Coin-Operated Amusement Devices (SGC) …………………………………..………………..……… 394
One Coin-Operated Amusement Device (SGD) ………………………………………………..……… 395
Coin-Operated Gaming Devices (SGE) …………………………………………..……………..……… 396
Coin-Operated Devices (SGE) …………………………………………………………….……..……… 397
Owner of Automobile for Hire (SH) ……………………………………….…………………......……… 397
User of Motor Boat (SHA) ………………………………………………………………………....……… 397
User of Yacht, Pleasure Boat, Etc. (SHB) ……………………………………….….…………..……… 398
Use of Foreign Built Pleasure Boat (SHC) ………………………………………………….…..……… 399
Commission Merchant (SJ) …………………………………………………………..…………..……… 399
Dealer in Grain, Securities, Etc. (SJA) …………………………………….……….…………...……… 399
Proprietor of Riding Academy (SK) …………………………………………………..……….....……… 399
Proprietor of Shooting Gallery (SKA) …………………………………………………..………..……… 399
Broker (SL) …………………………………..………………………….…..…………………....…..…… 400
Commercial Broker (SLA) ………………………………………………………………..….…...……… 400
Custom House Broker (SLB) …………………………………………………………….….…...……… 401
Pawnbroker (SM) ……………………………………….……………………………..……..…....……… 401
Pawnbroker in Firearms (SMA) …………………………………………………..….……….…..……… 401
Shipbroker (SN) ……………………………………….……………………………………..…....……… 402
Aggregation of Entertainment (SP) ………………………………………………………….…..……… 402
Proprietor or Agent of Public Exhibition for Money (SR) ………………… 402
Public Exhibition or Show (SR) …………………………………………………………………..……… 402
Proprietor of Circus (SS) ………………………………………………….…..……………..…….…….. 403
Proprietor of Theater (ST) ………………………………………………….…..………..……….……… 403
Theatre (ST) ........................…………..................... 403
Proprietor of Theater, Museum, or Concert Hall (ST) ……………….………. 403
Dealer in Firearms (SU) …………………………………………………………….…..…….…..……… 404
Dealer (including Pawnbrokers) in Certain Short Two-Barrel Guns (SU) …… 405
Importer or Manufacturer of Firearms (SUA) ……………………………………….……….…..……… 405
Wagering (SW) ………………………………………..……………..…………………..…….…..……… 406
Special Excise Tax (SX) ………………………………………………………………………………….. 406
In Lieu of Lost or Destroyed (SY) ………………………………………………………………………… 406
Collector's Certificate of Registry (SZ) …………………………………………………….. 407
Penalty Forms …………………………………………………………………………………………..….. 407
Destruction Notices …………………………………………………………………………………….….. 407
Generic Specimens and Essays (SZS) ………………………………………………………………... 407

SECTION SEVEN – FORMS, LICENSES & OTHER ITEMS

License for Sugar Producer (MA) ……………………………………………………………………….. 408
Narcotic Order Forms (MB) …………………………………………………………..…………….……. 409
Prohibition Prescription Blank Forms (MC) ……………………….…..…….…………. 415
1876 Philadelphia Mineral Water Tax (MD) ………………………………………….………. 416
1876 Philadelphia Malt Liquor Tax (MF) ………………………………………………..………. 416
Tobacco Currency (MG) ………………………………………………………………………….………. 417
USIR Registering Tag (MH) ……………………………………………..……………………….………. 417
Tobacco Taxpaid Provisionals (MJ) ……………........……………………………..……. 417
1883 Rebate Labels (MK) …………………........…………………………………………………..……. 417
Lottery Ticket Provisional Handstamps (MM) …………………………………………………. 418
Manufacturer Taxpaid Beer Labels ………………………………………………………………………. 418

SECTION EIGHT - U.S. CUSTOMS

Tobacco
Customs Cigarettes (TAC) …………….……............…………………......………… 419
Customs Cigars (TCC) ……………………………………………….…………….……….………..…. 424
Substitute Stamps (TCS) …………………………………....................…….…. 432
Imported Cigars Manufactured in Bond from Tobacco Imported from Cuba (TCB) . 432
Customs Small Cigar (TDC) ………………….……………………….………………………..…….… 437
Alcohol

Imported Liquors (CD) …………….............…………………………………………………………….. 438
Imported Distilled Spirits (CD) …………………………….…………………..…………..…. 439
Re-Imported American Distilled Spirits (CF) ………………………………..………..… 440
Imported Wines and Malt Liquors (CG) …………….………………………….………...…. 441

Drugs
Imported Opium (OC) …………………………..………………………………….………..… 442
Domestic Opium (OAC) …………………………..…………………………...……….. 444

Other
Customs Baggage (CB) .................................................. 445
Customs Tobacco Baggage (CB) ………………………….............…………………..……..……….. 448
Pre-Clearance Inspection Stamps (CP) ............. 452
Drawback Certificate (DC) ………..……………………………….............……………………………. 453
Customs Brass Tag (EC) ................................................ 453

SECTION NINE - U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE & U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

U.S. Department of Agriculture
Cotton Orders (1G) …………………………………………….………………….………............…...... 454
Food Orders (2G) ……………………………………….………………………..…….........…………… 456
Meat Inspection (4G) ……………………………………………..………………….........…………..…. 460
Meat Inspection Tags (5G) ………………………………………………………….........……………… 462
Certificate of Inspection of Meat Products for Export (5GX1) .......... 463
Food, Drug and Insecticide Inspection (6G) ……………………………………......……………... 463
AAA Market Permits (7G) ………………………………………………………….........……………….. 464

U.S. Department of Justice
Fuel Stamps (3G) ……………………………………….………………….…….……….........………… 464

INDEX ………………………………………………….………………………..……………….........………… 465





Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
10 Posts
Posted 09/06/2021   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Taxpaid Revenuer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Correction: working on it since 2014.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
409 Posts
Posted 09/06/2021   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jconey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TaxpaidRevenuer / ericjackson - I appreciate all the work that goes into this. We're anxiously awaiting the new version. do you have a target date, format and price in mind?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
Learn More...
Australia
32867 Posts
Posted 09/06/2021   4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! what an undertaking.
I am in awe of the dedication that must demand.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1294 Posts
Posted 09/08/2021   02:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This looks very comprehensive - I'm impressed and ready to buy a copy! To echo jconey, what's the target date for publication?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous TopicReplies: 19 / Views: 931Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


Go to Top of Page
Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2021 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2021 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.25 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05