Genuine Or Fournier/Hirschberger Forgery?

Not really sure what to think here.
over-inking could be the issue (first thought)
Most certainly could be a forgery, (probably should have been my first thought)
I don't think it looks like a Hirschburger, I'm just learning so could be wrong
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...-indo-china/

Either way I'm happy with it. Didn't cost me anything and it will add something I didn't have before!

Just trying to correctly Identify what's going on here
No value to it just something for me.

I would appreciate opinions, what do you think?

Thank you for looking!

Peace and commerce Hirschberger forgeries are 13.5 x 14, genuine, 14 x 13.5.

thanks geoffha,
Are there any other potential known forgers to watch for?

Heavily inked but this is genuine.

All the Hirschbergers have the same characteristics.

In genuine stamps, the hands on the central staff normally show fingers clearly; Hirschbergers might show a partial line or two on each hand only, if anything.

On the genuine, the central fruit on the cornucopia has specific shading where Hirschbergers have just a blob.

Genuine: the little fruit to the left of the above is a circle or nearly so. Hirschbergers show a half round attached to/not separated from the cornucopia.

Genuine: the dot pattern has regular pattern of circles the same size that align inside the background space they are in. Hirschbergers have irregular circles arranged in groups within each background space. With the heavy inking here, the difference can't be seen.

It doesn't apply here, but the Hirschberger colors are very distinctive with the 20c value and above that do not match genuine shades/colors. This shows it well, at least on my monitor. Your mileage may vary:
https://goscf.com/t/77961

Great detailed pointers thanks hy-Brazil!
To be honest I didn't look for those things, didn't know too (I will from now on :)

( first thing I noticed was that her right Breast didn't look normal.
The shape and cut to the armpit/shoulder looked wrong to me on the forgery's
That's one of the main things used to come to the conclusion it didn't look like a Hirschberger, Knowing what I know now it was basically a guess)

Forgery


Genuine


Thanks for the help it's greatly appreciated!!

Yeah, the breasts are the first thing I noticed too...

I didn't wanna sound like a typical guy....
But that was the area that first caught my attention (the forgery seemed too straight in the lines, no curves)
I don't think it's a way to identify them looking at another genuine copy!
Just something to keep me occupied

This is what I mean..

Forgery


Genuine

Here is the difference between a real stamp on the left and the Fournier Forgery on the right .

To answer the above question the only forgery is the Fournier issue.

Thanks floortrader,
Appreciate the comparison picture! I can see all the things hy-Brazil mentioned
I think I could spot one now, and think I can safely call this one over-inked!

I can say I'm happy about it :) I know it's nothing special but I think it looks good when I flip to a page that has something different added

PAGE OF Fournier Forgeries of INDO CHINA

Nice!! Beautiful page!

One last question pertaining, does the method of detecting work with other colonies or specific to indo-China ?

It's the same for all of the Fournier/Hirschberger forgeries. When mint, they also have much whiter gum than the genuine.

Good stuff to know!!
I think I have found 5 of them
And I think that also helped answered a couple possible surcharge questions from canton I may have had at some point

Most collectors can pick out most of the worlds forgeries if they have a real stamp next to the forgery .

That is why I try to collect both on the same page in my forgery collection . You would be surprise how cheap ,if not free , to get copies of damaged real stamp to use for comparnsion .

I like that floortrader, it's a good idea
As my collection grows I'll plan to do that!!

If I change the title to something more toward Fournier/Hirschberger and less specific to indo-China
could I ask if the couple I've pulled out are indeed forgeries? I am learning but could be wrong (first day on the job)

All joking aside, this is an interesting conversation, Thanks for the information. I just looked at some that I have and will keep a look out for the things mentioned here. I don't collect foreign stamps (non-US I should say)... But I usually have a bunch from mixed lots that I sell. I do have an interest in counterfeits/forgeries.