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Germany, 1948, American-British Occupation

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Posted 02/07/2022   08:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Klauskla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And there is another one with multiple horns, too. It was also expertised

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=l...4015&lot=879

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Posted 02/07/2022   09:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Klauskla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On another site I found this set. It was actually sold for 170 euros.
There is an certificate from Schlegel, too.
This stamps were unissued.


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Posted 02/07/2022   11:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Klauskla -thanks for the info.
when you wrote that you couldn't find them in the catalogues I thought you meant Michel too.
I found them in the Michel catalogue (1,2,3 and 5 Mark).
It mentions:"The stamps were, however, used for franking without any objections."

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Posted 02/07/2022   1:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Klauskla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, cupram

That is exactly the information I didn't have!
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Posted 02/07/2022   5:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
24pf: At least double overprints of this value are known, listed as Michel 44I DD, not a very expensive one.

• Is the cancel definitely over the overprints? It's hard to tell here.
• I have my doubts about how 2 runs through the press can produce overprints at exactly the same angle vs. the stamp. For this issue, they are often skewed. Are both overprints dull/matte?
• This is a separated vertical pair. This is a decent camera phone image but does not work for analysis. What I get is that the two sets of overprint don't seem to be at the same angle. It might be the camera, it might not. Check this. I believe that the posthorns and frame ovals don't align with each other in the genuine, so that's probably not a problem.
• On the left stamp, there is a break in both framelines. There are such breaks, but this is maybe too much of a coincidence.
• On the right side of both, it looks like there may be ink on the perf tips. That shouldn't happen at all.

Check each point and see what you come up with.
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Posted 02/07/2022   8:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks hy-brasil,
Yes the PM is on top,
and both prints seem to be the same ink.
There is Ink on the perf tips, But that seems to be normal?

I will try to upload better images.


Don't know if these are better,


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Edited by Just_fella - 02/07/2022 9:01 pm
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Posted 02/11/2022   07:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Klauskla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Allthough this stamp is from the soviet occupation in Germany, I think this could be the right thread.
Is this pair a forgery? or do you think the overprinting just went wrong?

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Posted 02/11/2022   09:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 24 Pfg pair is Michel 190F, overprint missing on one stamp of a pair. But the overprint has been known to be forged. Hard to say if your overprint is genuine; a higher resolution scan is required.
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Posted 10/31/2025   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dadin8r to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree how absolutely difficult some of these German issues are. Thanks for posting all of this. The link to the German philatelic society was helpful too. I already went and bought the book in electronic format.

I was looking at buying this set and it looks just too clean and perfect not to mention the post horns are all inverted. I mean it could be legit but the sheer coincidence of them all having the same press and all being inverted, is dubious.
Really nothing against the seller, it just Illustrates the challenges of these stamps



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